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This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level of
our
house
tiled in a

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*Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled. Why
not
just
say so.

And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would guess
even
a
non
union company would have beat it.

What is so special about laying tile that you need to be union?

Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training
(apprenticeship)
arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end up
hiring
someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it after
doing
their
own home, decided to open a business.

Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship
program.
A
lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of various
chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or
maintenance in single-family homes.

Pure bull****.


Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential, although I
have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding
ventures
to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews.

It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you saw a
photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of
design,
taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is
subjective,eh?


We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you have a
picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have obtained
it,
but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is beyond
belief
with you.

Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year apprenticeship
program
unless one is mentally challenged.

As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from
http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM



ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING

Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an
apprenticeship
program. After completing a three or four-year program that includes
both
practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to full
journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists of
on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint
reading,
layout, and basic mathematics.

To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old and
be
physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision, color
perception, and manual dexterity are important assets.

Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers usually
prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic math
and
be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include shop
and
mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a
desirable
skill.

In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile
Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced
workers.


So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you are
talking about.

I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship, only that
the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile
setting
is not a skilled trade imo.

Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy.

Asslicker ought to read his own posts......

"In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile
Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced
workers."

Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship
program.

ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the NG
idiots"