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Nav
 
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Good idea -then you can kill file it. I have yet to have a good
scientific discussion about nautical matters with anyone here (except
Gilligan).


Cheers

Jeff Morris wrote:

Sorry Nav, I missed that. Perhaps you should have a special annotation for when
you're trying to be intelligent.



"Nav" wrote in message
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Sure. There was I thinking you would discuss a scientific subject
intelligently. Silly me.

Cheers


Jeff Morris wrote:

Sorry Nav, that was obviously meant for Booby.

Your backpedal was pretty pathetic, also. You most pathetic since claiming


to

be a charter member of the "Save the Constitution" committee!





"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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You mean a line parted and it wasn't even chafing on the boat or dock???

Good


Grief!!!

This is the most pathetic confession since jaxie admitted he didn't know how

to


use a compass!



"Nav" wrote in message
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That's not a backpedal. Tidal current is discrete from hydraulic current
and the two sum as I said.

Cheers

Jeff Morris wrote:



Holy Backpedal, Nav!

Of course the total current is the sum of a variety of effects. However,

these


are certain places where the hydraulic current dominates the flow. Snow's

Cut,


I suspect, is one. There are others, and they tend to be very

significant


for


sailors.

Most simple tidal currents around here max at under 2 knots, while the
hydraulics are frequently over 4, sometimes 6 or more. For simple

currents,


the


"50-90" rule, which approximates a sine curve, can be used. This says

that


the


current reaches half strength in the first third between slack and max,

and


90%


in the second third.

However, when a hydraulic current dominates, the current changes very

quickly,


often with virtually no slack. Cape Cod Canal this morning went from a .9

knot


ebb to a 1 knot flood in 10 minutes. It went from 50% ebb to 50% flood

strength


in less than an hour, or twice as fast as a sine wave would predict. Hell

Gate


changes even faster than that.

This is a very significant effect for the sailor, who often wishes to

transit


such areas at slack. Perhaps they are not common where you are, Nav, but

I'm


rather surprised you heard of it.

jeff





"Nav" wrote in message
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I just looked up Bowditch because I was surprised at the generality you
implied. Bowditch is clearly talking about hydraulic current which
_adds_ to the tidal current. The overall effect is as I described in my
other response.


Cheers



Jeff Morris wrote:




Then you're disagreeing with Bowditch:

"A slight departure from the sine form is exhibited by
the reversing current in a strait, such as East River, New
York, that connects two tidal basins. The tides at the two
ends of a strait are seldom in phase or equal in range, and
the current, called hydraulic current, is generated largely
by the continuously changing difference in height of water
at the two ends. The speed of a hydraulic current varies
nearly as the square root of the difference in height. The
speed reaches a maximum more quickly and remains at
strength for a longer period than shown in Figure 914b, and
the period of weak current near the time of slack is considerably
shortened."


"Nav" wrote in message
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That sounds like an estimate based on an energy argument. However, I
don't think that case could be considered to be a closed system so such
energy balance need not apply.

Cheers

Jeff Morris wrote:





"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Scott,

You've seem to have forgotten "The Gulf Stream Master" Jax. I'm sure

he


can help you ride the eddies:^) Maybe even find you a stray current
heading south (g)


Jax also insisted that the time of high water and slack current must


be

the


same, to be otherwise would violate the laws of physics (on his

planet).







Now, for what's it worth. The Tide Flow is a sine wave. Us common


folk

understand that slack water is at the top and bottom of the wave. So
slack is, roughly about a hour and it is roughly in the upper 30%
counting the end of the rising tide and the beginning of the Ebb. 15%

to


the HW and 15% roughly to the Max Flow. That means about two hours to
max flow, 8 hours of max flow and then another couple of hour of
diminishing flow to LW.


While the current flow in "simple harbors" may follow a sine curve, in

cuts


between two bodies of water the flow is different. The curve is more
"squarish," that is, the flow ramps up quicker and stays high longer.

The


duration of slack is reduced. The best example is Hell Gate in New

York.


IIRC, the flow rate is proportional to the square root of the


different

of


height of the two bodies.