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Bart Senior wrote:
There you go jumping to conclusions. Katy, you are the perfect
example of a woman that does not use logical thinking. You
react emotionally to everything. Take yourself out of the picture
when you consider my comments. They are not directed at you.

Are you trying to sound like Reagan?

Women need partners. I'm not like that. I'd rather be alone if I can't
find someone special. Also, I respect women who have sex with me on
the first date--because I'm overly selective. To get that far with me,
means the woman is very high quality--smart, professional, good
looking, and well balanced. At my age, chances are she wants to have
sex on the first date, and I'm the one holding back because I ate or
drank too much at dinner.

All people need partners, not just women. Just because you're alone
doesn't mean you don't want a partner. In fact, you go on and on about
it later in your post.

I feel it is important to set the tone of the relationship as physical not
platonic, immediately. My experience is that if things don't get hot by
the second date, it never does.

Total bs. You must have limited experience. My experience is that
women don't want to be jumped on the first or even fourth date. They
want to believe you're interested in more than getting laid.

I typically only date women college graduates with professional jobs. I
don't mind if a woman has children provided the children don't make
dating impossible, and the woman is a good mother. I don't date flaky
women, and I won't pick a woman is too needy, who wants me to adopt
her children, or has huge financial or emotional problems. This eliminates
the bulk of the women out there.

Nothing new or interesting here. I think most women don't want a man
to be too needy or have a lot of baggage.

Back to your comments. I've not at all surprised women vacillate and play
games, since women are not decisive decision makers. It's important for
men to set limits and boundaries for women, because women always test
boundaries with men. Women want to see what they can get away with.
It is part of their decision making process. If they don't get enough of
what they want, they pick another man who allows them more freedom or
control.

Total bs. How about Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton, the list goes
on an on. Sounds like you're never going to find anyone with this
attitude, other than some bimbo who doesn't have a brain.

When I was young I pursued women, as many as possible, in the hopes of
finding just one. I'd spend a fortune dating with a poor return on
investment.

More likely, you pursued women to get laid and when it didn't work
out, you blamed them. Your expectations were too high. How about just
meeting a women, having a good time with minimal pressure to do
anything or have anything "happen."

When women are young, after spending all their money on cloths, they seem to
feel it is their right to use men financially. The traditional date is to
take a woman out to dinner. Many single women use men as open
wallets for free dinners --dating for food not companionship. Many
years ago, I grew tired of this and decided I'd rather take my
friends out for dinner instead.

Also bs. I've known women young and old who would spend all their
money or not spend much at all on clothes or want to or not want to
use men financially.

The traditional date is to treat a woman or anyone with respect,
listen to what they have to say, engage them in interesting
conversation, or just have fun.

At age 48, it's role reversal. Women my age that are unattached, are still
near their sexual peak and desperate to find a man. To meet men, women join
clubs, travel, take men out to dinner, and use all the methods I used when I was
young to meet women.

Suddenly, upon reaching middle age, the hedonistic, female narrcisits
suddenly reform? Or, are they now the sexual predators? I think you're
confused.

Games are an interesting topic. Here is my definition and how I view them.

Games are manipulations that work towards a hidden agenda.

This is common in women. Because men are physically stronger, more
confident and thus more direct, they are less likely to play games. Women
are weaker physically, and compensate for this by using their "feminine
wiles" which is basically a combination of deception and sex.

Total bs again. Men play just as many games. They're just not as good
at it.

Women accuse men of playing games, when the men don't follow the
woman's unstated master plan. The big problem with a woman stating her
plan is that it's a trump card and once played either wins or ends the
relationship. It is far better for the women to lead the man down the
garden path--indirectly. So women avoid being direct and play games
instead. They test and probe for limits and quickly back off when they
have gone too far. And they complain when the men don't do what
they want them to do.

Sounds to me like you're pretty bitter. You need to get past it.

In my case, when a woman pushes past certain boundaries, I drop her.
Perhaps that is overly harsh of me, given that I know women often test
boundaries. I feel it is important to let them know the consequences of
pushing too far.

This is called unwilling to play, so you take your marbles and go
home. Why does it have to be a negative game? Why can't it be a fun
game. There's no telling where it'll lead.

When a woman tells me she doesn't like game players, I immediately
know two things. First, that she herself is a game player, and second,
the men she dates do not follow her master plan. So I start to wonder
what it is about her that is causing her plan to fail. There is either a
psychological, financial, physical, or a combination of these reasons why
she is not achieving her goals.

I think you're deluding yourself. In your opinion, it's not possible
for her to actually be telling the truth. Maybe, more likely, she senses
that you're into your own game playing and is getting nervous about
it.

I would not call my "10 pm strategy" a game. There is nothing hidden about
it. I don't use it much any more, since the women I date these days are
older, know what they want, and pursue me aggressively. None of them
are virgins, so none of them are "virtuous". They ask me out, travel great
distances to date me, often buy me dinner, want to spend more time with
me than I have to spare, and try real hard to make me happy.

Virtue has nothing whatever to do with being a virgin. By definition:

Moral excellence and righteousness; goodness.


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