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On 23 Aug 2004 12:33:10 -0700, (Joe) wrote:

DSK wrote in message ...
(SAIL LOCO) wrote:
I'd certainly believe 250 vets vs the 5 Kerry drags around the
country with
him. It would be pretty hard to get 250 individules to conspire to
tell a lie vs 5.

Not really. It's a question of motivation & background. Are Kerry's five
backed by a professional political hatchet studio? The "Swift Veterans
for Truth" are funded and organized 100% by a group that is the
Bush-Cheney teams top character assassins.

It's a question of what you want to believe. You and Dave & Bart & Joe
really really really want to believe all sorts of horrible things about
Kerry... he's bad, evil, communist, satanist, etc etc.

Doug,

I wish Kerry did not act the way he did, and hang out with the people
that he did hang out with during the Vietnam era. Fact is he did what
he did and it was very wrong IMO. What he did was bad. He called is
"brothers" evil, satanist baby killers.

Really? Damn, Joe, you never pass up an opportunity to miss the
point. Why do you think Kerry opposed the war when he returned from
it? Do you think he just wanted to take the opportunity to brand all
veterans as "evil, satanist baby killers" or do you think he might
have been trying to stop a war that had killed something like 50,000
Americans by then, close to 1 Million Vietnamese and was tearing
*this* country apart? Do you think the war was right and Kerry was
wrong in opposing it? Kerry was primarily questioning the leadership
of the war..the political leadership and the military leadership. I
wasn't there and I know you weren't, but Kerry was and he took a stand
based on his principles that he pays for yet today among those who
disagree. Too bad we didn't have more political courage among our own
elected leaders in those days, or it wouldn't have lasted as long as
it did.

One of the reasons our military is as good as they are today is
because they learned from all the mistakes in Vietnam. They are the
first to admit it, unlike you. Read what Tommy Franks has to say...he
doesn't disagree with the basic points that John Kerry raised back
then. The only thing good about making a mistake is the ability to
learn from it. Kerry proved he has that ability, unlike our current
President who has never and will never admit a mistake. Now that is a
dangerous trait for anyone, but it is unacceptable in a President.

If you're OK with the likes Micheal Moore & Jane Fonda & Kerry telling
you what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more
freedom,and truth personally.

Joe

You are personally free to continue not to think, and that is the
truth

If you're OK with the likes Jerry Falwell & Rush Limbaugh telling you
what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more freedom,
personally.

DSK