schlackoff, *you* were the one claiming that reference points were not needed
to determine position, and *you* were the one claiming that the sun could never
be a reference point.

little boy, it seem apparent you have not a clew what the word "reference"
means, most certainly not in the context of a point.

schlackoff? are you purposely trying to appear dense, or are you really,
really stew ped? It appears you don't understand one word in five in any
normal sentence.

As we all know by now, that's your way of admitting you're wrong, and
you cannot determine your position simply by seeing a reference point as
you have claimed.

Steve