"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Now that is *not* nice.

I disagree.

Jim has been very polite in the face of the most incredible abuse.

Peter Wiley has tried to tell us that his opinion should hold sway over
Jim's because Peter, (and soon), his son have college degrees. This
argument makes no sense at all. In fact, if someone has to invoke their
"degree" as proof of their intelligence, then I would assume that they
are a
bit inadequate.


Jeff has poured scorn on the 200 gallon claim, and yet Jeff has not had
the
courage to state what he thinks that the real figure is.

What a cowardly piece of **** you are Donal.

I think that you worry too much about being proved wrong. Read on, and I
bet that it won't feel too awful when you see how misinformed your posts
have been.
BTW Do I get a prize for being the victim of the worst ad hominem of the
month?

Almost 48 hours before your post I
responded to Jim:


" What is your estimate, Jeff?

"Gee that's a tough one Jim. How about 6 inches wide by 6 feet long by
one foot
draft? That gives a pretty conservative 3 cubic feet. I suspect it may
be half
of that, or less. And the amount of drag created by the trunk is reall
not that
large."

I owe you an apology, Jeff. I really didn't think that you were making a
serious guess. I thought that you were making a wild uninformed assumption
in an effort to wind Jim up.


Jim's claim of 200 gallons was off by at least a factor of 10, maybe 20 or
more.

I don't think so. Perhaps you would care to look at the specifications?
http://www.russellsmarine.com/mac/update.htm


Anyone who had really taken a considerable amount of physics and math as
Jim
claims should be able to see the problem with this number in about three
seconds. Jim is either a liar, or he's too lazy to think for a few
seconds.
Only he knows the truth, but he was simply trying to deflect my criticism
with
his nasty comment.

Think about it Donal, Jim was claiming the centerboard trunk on a 26 foot
sailboat is 10 times larger than your fuel tank! Does that make sense to
you?
What would your guess have been?

Well, I'd guess about 110 gallons, which would mean that you were more than
4 times more inaccurate than Jim.
My guess is based on my interpretation of the boat's specification sheet,
which claims 1300 lbs of ballast. 300lbs are fixed, and 1000 lbs is water.
I assume that the figures refer to salt water, and that sal****er is a bit
heavier than fresh water, so that leads me to conclude that there is about
110 US gallons of water involved.


Frankly, I didn't think the "200 gallon" number was particularly
significant,
except the Jim has had this pattern of quoting bogus numbers and then
denying he
ever did it. He has even asked several time that we point out examples of
outrageous claims:

"Really? And could you be just a little more specific? Like, if I posted
all those "ridiculous and false" claims, could you cite a few of them?
(And please quote my own words. - No paraphrases or caricatures.)"

I just figured I was helping Jim as he wished.

I figure that your accusation that he was out by a factor of "10, maybe 20
or more" was based on pure prejudice.

It is most unedifying to witness a catamaran owner looking down his nose at
a Mac owner.... especially when he is incapable of checking his facts before
spouting off.

Regards

Donal
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PS I feel a really good ad hominem coming my way - instead of the apology
that I am owed!