jeffies, no one has ever said you could be anywhere in the universe, only that
you can not know where in the universe you are. there are infinite number of
places to be in the universe. you would know that, jeffies, *if* you had the
degree in physics you claim you have.

Are you actually claiming that within one minute you can be anywhere in the
universe? Your grasp on reality is getting more tenuous than usual, jaxie!




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, "that fix" becomes an unknown -- and unknowable -- point the
minute
you start moving. Claiming otherwise does not make it otherwise.

Every DR plot starts with a FIX. Its just that simple, jaxie, live with
it.

Perhaps you should go back to that Power Squadron course you dropped out
off
-
they'll probably let you in so you can learn about this stuff.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, **if** you know where you are using known (sic) reference
point,
THEN
that is called pilotage, not deduced reckoning.

you have changed the definition of the term DR to that of pilotage. you
can
change it to green Shinola if you wish but it still doesn't make it safe
to
wonder around in a fog with rocks anywhere near by.

I never made any such claim. In fact, I was only asserting the simple
fact
that
DR does involve known reference points.

I've never claimed the DR was "precise," I've only claimed that it is
good
enough to be useful, and a necessary skill for any skipper that wishes
to
be
competent.

You're the one who claims that DR is so worthless that navigation
without
GPS
is
physically impossible. And since you've admitted to being lost with
two
functioning GPS's onboard, its a good thing you don't actually go
sailing
at
all.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
over the knee, jeffies brought it up as proof that DR was precise
navigating,
not me.

jeffies is not smart (without asking his wife) to use the word
"pilotage".
he
merely said something about known ladmarks. same same.


I didn't see anywhere, where Jeff introduced "pilotage" in a way
to
change the definition.



..... and you, typically, took it out of context, and created a
new
argument, which was unrelated to the discussion at hand, and tried
to
pawn it off as "someone else said".
Lame attempt, try again.

otn