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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
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Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed
to be liberals.
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Funny, I am liberal, and I consider my self a proud individual, proud of who
I am and proud of my personal accomplishments
As all of you well know, John Kerry is making
conservative values statements faster than anybody
can count.


Since when are positive values the sole property of conservatives?

He now says life begins at conception. That is not
what liberals believe.
I have always believed life begins at conception or soon there after, and I
am liberal, How can thet be?
He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners.
I cannot own a gun and be liberal? Ok if you say so, just don't break into
my house, you may be surprised.
He believes marriage should be between a man and a
woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are
trying to support.

I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, I also belive that it may
be between two individuals who love ,respect and are devoted to eachother
regardless of sex.

He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict
Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries
were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what
he thought.

Since when are positive values the sole property of conservatives?

Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism
is a political millstone around the neck of any modern
presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals
in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse
this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the
Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't
understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around,
doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and
say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is
a millstone.

Have you ever looked up the meaning of Liberal? It means one who is
acceptant to change. Are you saying that the conservative movement today is
not trying to change things in our society today? All liberals, including
Ralph Nader, Michael Moore ect?

Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure
in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and
education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism
leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the
nanny state, if you will.

Contempory liberalism has given us social security, NLRB, the Clean water
bill,the clean air act, education and acess to higher education through
federal programs(which generate more economic activity by training the
masses for higher paying jobs).

And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense
policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness
to use American force, disdain for the idea of American
exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep
comfort with framing international issues in terms of right
and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that.

Unilateral disarmement, I think the Roosevelt presidency would show that to
be wrong, as well as the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. Besides
shouldn't you exhaust all possible options, diplomatic and economic ect,
before you send our soldiers into harms way? Also who is defining good and
evil, you or me?

Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign
and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn
over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance
to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional,
we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact,
we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we
don't do.

I think if you would speak to most liberals they wouldn't disarm and turn
our defense completely over to the UN, but certianly the UN can be used as a
spring-board in order to keep things in check and the lines of communication
open to avoid sending our armed forces into harms way unnecessarily, also we
could reduce our military expense if we could get the burden shared instead
of going off half cocked( as in the unfounded WMD debate).

Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged
as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and
photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that
as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire
political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is
not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a
liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty
trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify
them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an
attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long
voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has
consumed beverages for two decade
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Kerry isn't a true liberal, he is the most liberal of the 2 prime candidates
running. His doctrine is centrist, and one of more consensus rather than the
"my way or the high... highwhatever I think, how do you spell that?" of the
current occupier of that office.
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Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of
intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies
out of Kerry.

Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud?

The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of
liars.


We have a president who is at best one who acts on incomplete information,
interprets information to his advantage and at worst is an out an out liar,
I hope for the first scenario, but it says little of his intuitive abilities
and his ability to admit a mistake. IMHO Philip Carroll