"Jim Cate" continues to have trouble with reality:

"Am I going to be stranded off-shore in unexpected weather conditions? -
(Actually, since the boat can motor back at 18 mph, it has a better
chance of getting back to shore faster than a displacement boat."

The boat can motor back at 18 mph. As has been discussed ad nausium,
the speed is dependent on a number of factors, including weather
conditions, loads, whether the water ballast tank is filled or not, etc.

Yes, it has been pointed out as nausium that the speed figures were only
obtained under conditions not likely to be encountered. Yet you keep insisting
they are achievable.

The safety recommendations strongly advise always running with ballast tanks
full. In particular, if there are waves, even as low a one foot, the boat could
become unstable and capsize. Without ballast, it is not self righting, and is
liable to capsize if tipped more than 60 degrees. Since Galveston Bay
frequently is choppy, and the channel (especially between the jetties) certainly
is, any talk of running a full speed with he tank empty marks you as a complete
fool.

Further, the stated speed is without rigging (mast, boom, stays, sails), food,
water, minimal fuel and safety gear, and one person aboard. Since you always
described situations where you would have the rigging, gear, fuel and passengers
on board, you're talking about roughly 600 pounds. A number of mac sites claim
100 pounds means 1 MPH off the top speed, meaning the despite your ludicrous
claims, the real speed for the boat is around 12 mph, maybe 12 knots.

I'm not making this up, this is coming straight from the factory and dealer
sites. Anyone who claims otherwise is in fantasy land. However, you can scan
the mac boards and people will say the same thing - roughly 12 knots is the most
you'll do in a normally configured boat. The also point out that in nasty
conditions, the speed can be greatly reduced from that, and the ride can get
very sloppy.


snip nonsense



"I'm getting a boat that's capable of motoring in 1.5 feet of water and
sailing offshore, motoring at 18 knots to a desired destination, "


This is true. As discussed above, the speed is dependent on a number of
factors. In relatively mild whether and with a light load, it can motor
at 18 knots.calm

Its only capable of those speeds if you don't put a mast on it, so what's the
point? Why keep repeating a number if it doesn't apply to you?




"Regarding access to good sailing areas, the MacGregor can plane out
to the desired sailing are at around 15-18 knots"


Again, all true. In this area in particular, we have to motor down the
Houston-Galveston ship channel for some 25 miles (boring and tiring in a
slow, displacement sailboat) and then motor some 5 miles further between
the jetties to get to some blue water. With the Mac 26M, the boat can
motor down the ship channel at around 15-18 knots, greatly reducing the
time it takes to get to desirable sailing areas.

But the factory site claims thats inmpossible! Are you call Roger a liar? Why
do you persist in making claims that go beyond the hypebole of the brochure?




"Like, planing the boat at around 12 knots under sail, or 18
knots under power."

Again, all true.

But its a lie, and you know it!



You're just a cheap lying troll, aren't you Jim?

Nope. Not at all. But YOU are a good example of a "cherry picker" who
scans my notes to find statements that you can quote against me, out of
context.

I'm willing to include whatever context you want. You're the one who keeps
claiming you want the speed so you can take guests sailing in the ocean. The
you quote speeds that are only achievable if you leave the guests, sails, food
and water, and fuel back at the dock. And it requires the unsafe practice of
running flat out without ballast in a busy waterway. And you accuse me of
cherry picking, taking comments out of context??? You're a real piece of work,
Jim!

You apparently hope to win some "atta-boys" from your buddies
on the ng.

My "buddies" probably think its foolish to waste time on a troll like you. But
I may save someone from making the mistake you have.


If you quoted my notes in context, and reviewed my several
discussions of the characteristics of the boat under various conditions,
you would have had to acknowledge various qualifications that I have
made throughout the discussions, to the effect that the speed of the Mac
under power is dependent on a number of conditions.

No, you never have really given a realistic assessment of your likely speed.
On, the contrary, you still claiming that the "18 knots" figure is still
relevant.


Obviously, it won't
be able to make 18-knots under all conditions, or if conditions aren't
right.

So why don't you tell us what speed you think you will achieve with a crew and
gear?

And if the skipper is stupid enough to sit around offshore for
several hours after getting a severe weather notice, or to sit out there
watching the weather building and heading toward him for several hours
before deciding to turn the motor on, Obviously, he isn't going to make
15-18 knots in 5-foot chop.

Jim, the factory says it can't do 18 knots in a flat clam with a tail wind. Or
do you intend to throw your grandchildren overboard?