Rick wrote in message thlink.net...
Joe wrote:

And the US submarine fleet has the safest record of any vessels at
sea.

Newsflash for you slick ...

Well........They have the safest record of any vessels at sea without
visual lookouts...Visual as defined by Donal.

Besides they sail 1000's of times the distance that the average
vessels sails.
Perhaps I should of said safest record per mile traveled.

If you go futher, travel in new places all the time things will
happen. I do not care how good of a Captain you are. A friend in
charge of hiring 100's of 300+ tons masters told me a story once about
a capt that sunk a boat in the mississippi. The guy loaded his boat (
State Diamond) to the max. He left the gulf stacks hatch doors to the
engine room open when he left the dock. Ok till he got mid river and
hooked em up. The suction pulled the deck under and flooded the engine
room in about 120 seconds. Boat sank and killed a few crew members. I
asked him why he did not fire him. And he said nothing like that will
ever happen on his boats again, he's worked here 7 year without any
problems. I said "Guess not" and thought about it for a long time.

I realized:

If you play with fire long enough your going to get burned. And there
is nothing like the memory of a searing red hot poker jabbing you to
keep you focused. Pain is the pre-curser to change.

Joe
MSV RedCloud







http://prop1.org/2000/accident/1989/890712a1.htm

http://www.armscontrol.ru/subs/collisions/comm0319.htm

That's just from a very quick look in Google. There are
plenty of others that you could use to make the argument
that US Submarines are a hazard to navigation due to
incompetence and shoddy operating practices.

Rick