Nav wrote:
Don't you get it Doug? 30 degrees heel is quite normal (and often very
fast upwind) for most big keel boats! For proof look at the refs I've
cited!

You hve cited some pics and references to some very UNusual,
far-outside-the-normal specialized boats. But you don't even realize
that, do you?

They also contain real tests of real boats by experts. The funny thing
is that the boats really are faster at the sort of angle I've quoted
than at 12 degrees. I guess you'd say they must all be wrong too? What
would Herreschof say?

Any of the Herreshoffs would probably say, "Don't argue with an idiot,
Doug, people might not be able to tell the difference. And besides, let
Navvie heel his boat 'way 'way over if it makes him feel all manly."

The only reason I have kept in this discussion is to counterbalance your
whacky suggestions that might be taken seriously by novice sailors. But
I think the time for that is passed.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King