I confused the staysail with the genoa. I agree there are no self
tacking outer foresail. It wouldn't be feasable.

But look at this pic from Island Packet Yachts website of one of their
380s (Man those 380, 420, and 485 are NICE!) under sail with two
foresails. I just don't see being able to tack the outer masthead
forsail with the self-tending staysail in the way.

www.ipy.com/Graphics/IP380.gif

I also remember reading about Beth Leonard using a dual foresail
configuration on "Hawk", her earlier vessel. I don't believe she used a
self tending inner sail, but it would still be in the way when coming
about. She wrote that in some seas and air that she'd use only the 2
foresails to create a comfortable ride.

I just want to know the proceedure for coming about with both foresails
on. I do see how nice it would be to have the self-tending sail when
beating in a tight channel, though!!!

Capt. Mooron wrote:
The "staysail is the "inner" sail..... There are no self tacking genoas that
I know of. You don't run or unfurl the gen when using a "self-tending"
staysail.

CM

"Grouch" wrote in message
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| When running the self-tending jib with the large staysail, how does one
| tack the staysail? I'm sure I've seen them run at the same time, I just
| cant figure out how they tack the staysail without rolling it up each
| time to get it on the other side of the jib.
|
| Just wondering?
|
| I think the Island Packets (larger ones) all come with the Hoyt
| self-tending jib/ staysail setup.
|
| -Grouchee
|
| Thom Stewart wrote:
| OK Bart,
|
| I'll take a crack at the Self-tending jibs.
| I do believe (I could be wrong) these jibs were used to reduce the size
| of the Catboats sail.
|
| The work boats, before the use of the gasoline engines, were single sail
| vessels for ease of handling when used by water-men working by
| themselves. An example would be the New England Catboat. As they got up
| in size, the sail size became a problem. This was in the days of Gaff
| Rigs.( the Marconni Rig didn't appear until after the advent of the
| trans-Atlantic Radio antennas) The single sail's weakness grew. Two
| heavy booms, weather helm/ with barn door rubber, increased beams to
| maintain heeling and shallow draft.
|
| These were the problems the were solved by the Jib ( The Friendship
| Sloop) It allowed and increase in sail area without increasing the
| main. Also, eased the pressure on the weather helm ( Rudder size)
|
| As a working boat the extra lines for the jib weren't a welcome addition
| to the Lobsterman, so the self-tending jib solved that problem. If the
| mast was cantered back a little the boat would still turn into the wind
| and wait as the traps were tended with hands off the helm.
|
| This made a handy rig and was adopted by the day sailer design. That is
| where, today you are likely to find the rig. In the knock abouts day
| sailors.
|
| Advantage; Increased sail area, less pressure aloft, Only one line to
| trim and tack, Reduced beam, smaller rudders, Less crowded cockpits
|
| Disadvantage; Size limit on jib (100%) A complicated foredeck
|
| Ole Thom
|
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