Wolfie,
If you want to consider that '41 campaign a Allied Victory so be it? A
major Russian city under siege, German occupation of most of European
Russia, the Romanian Oil industry in German control; I don't call that a
Victory. If that was a Victory then I guess we can call Pearl Harbor a
Victoryg the Japs never got near there again. Wolfie they kick the
**** out of us at Pearl Harbor!!! The Germans did the same to the
Russians in 1941.

I guess you can keep score your way but the Bismarck was sunk alright
but tell that to the died on the "Hood" That was only one fight in the
"Battle of the North Atlantic" and the Wolf Packs were still starving
the British in '41. The German Subs were winning the Battle of the
Atlantic in '41

Your right about the I-ties in North Africa but the Axis ( Rommel)
controlled North Africa not the Allies, the Allies didn't control North
Africa until Patton and Montgomery drove them out.

Wolfie, You made good points. You forgot the first Naval engagement of
the War in South America when the three Brit Cruisers cause the Hun to
scuttle the Battleship

I'm had my say. The Allies, in my mind weren't winners until the Yanks
took command in Europe and Asia/Pacific.

Signing off;
Ole Thom