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Vito
 
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DSK wrote:

Vito wrote:

blew the resulting missile crisis,


Pardon me? How did JFK 'blow' the Cuban missile crises?

He let Kruchev bluff him into pulling back our own bases in Turkey and
elsewhere.
According to Kruchev (years later of course) that's exactly what he
wanted and the whole thing was a bluff to get it. He'd never have gone
to war over Castro because the US had a sizable first strike capability
at the time.

screwed up Ike's plan in Nam then started the
Nam war to avoid loosing another country to communism,


Huh. Did Ike have a 'plan' in Viet Nam, ...


Actually, a very good one. Ho worked for us during WW2 and became Prime
Minister of all Vietnam after that war. When the French tried to return
he had Japanese troops, placed under his temporary command by the treaty
signed aboard Missouri, inter them and send them home. But the Japs
left, the French returned and Ho's pleas that we take over a we did in
the Philippines went unanswered. So he whipped the frogs himself, but
then didn't know what to do. He knew that people in western democracies
lived better than folks under communism but commies had helped him when
we wouldn't. His buddy Ike proposed a solution: temporarily split the
country, communist north and capitalist south, then after a few years (5
IIRC) let the people decide in a reunifying election. Ike's scheme was
to pour so much $$$ into the south, as we were doing in Germany, that
capitalism would easily win. Unfortunately the Diems set up a
dictatorship (vs a democracy) in the south that had majority Buddhists
lighting themselves off and diverted all the US aid $$ to their own
Swiss bank accounts and by the time anybody noticed JFK was president.
Despite CIA warnings, JFK dawdled until election polls were showing
commies by a landslide. Then he whacked Diem and had his replacement
refuse to hold the election, which triggered an uprising, then left for
Dallas neer to return. His Whiz Kids decided to send US troops to buy
time to recover Ike's plan but *never ever win* else we'd be perceived
as "just like the French". That got a lot of American and Vietnamese
kids killed but that didn't matter - few of them were Harvard grads,
right? So now you know why the US military never won the Vietnam war.
Ever hear about SEAL 1 and the Tonkin Gulf Incident?

Yep. But was that enough to justify shooting him?


If you made a list of all the people you would NOT want ****ed at you at
that time you'd find that JFK had crapped on all of them. He was Irish
Mafia. He screwed up the plan to put the mob back in charge of Cuba, and
got a bunch of CIA types killed. He P'd off the KKK. He tried to fire J
Edgar. Etc. Would you want the *old* CIA, Mafia, KKK and FBI all wishing
you dead?


But then, to many people, facts are irrelevant.

Yes, and that's why JFK remains popular.


I suggest the opposite.


I'd disagree. His luster may be tarnished but the average dude in the
street ranks him right up there with Reagan ... which suggests *most*
people will believe anything,, as long as it caters to their ignorance &
prejudices.

The other day, somebody shoved a farcical hatchet piece on JFK at me. It
basically said that the whole PT-109 incident was fictional and was a
deliberate attempt by the Navy to boost JFK's future political career.


That's sad. He f'd up and got his boat ran over but then he performed
heroically to save what he could of the situation. Give him that, and
the space program and the end of Jim Crow.