Vito wrote:


JFK has them both beat hands down. He blew the Bay of Pigs,

Agreed, sort of, but then it was a pooch-screwing op from the start.
Committing US forces would have turned it into an even bigger mistake. Gee,
maybe that's what happens when Presidents listen to ill-informed
advisors.....

blew the
resulting missile crisis,

Pardon me? How did JFK 'blow' the Cuban missile crises?

Was there a nuclear war from escalating the exchange? Not that I recall...

Did the Russians pull their missiles out of Cuba? Yes, as much as can be
verified then & now.

screwed up Ike's plan in Nam then started the
Nam war to avoid loosing another country to communism,

Huh. Did Ike have a 'plan' in Viet Nam, other than to not let the Dulles
brothers nuke the place? You're right that Kennedy began committing forces
there, not a good idea in retrospect.

then ... need I
go on?

No, you need to go back.


And who can forget his famous al lib "I am a jelly pastry!!"?

Yep. But was that enough to justify shooting him?



But then, to many people, facts are irrelevant.

Yes, and that's why JFK remains popular.

I suggest the opposite.

The other day, somebody shoved a farcical hatchet piece on JFK at me. It
basically said that the whole PT-109 incident was fictional and was a
deliberate attempt by the Navy to boost JFK's future political career.

Some people will believe anything, as long as it caters to their ignorance
& prejudices.

DSK