What makes you think the ColRegs have anything with the licensing regulations? This makes as much
sense as using Webster's as the reference for nautical terminology (some you do frequently).

There is no reference to licensing in the ColRegs, not is there any mention of the ColRegs in the
licensing regs, other than comments that one will be tested on their knowledge of the ColRegs. The
Inland version of the ColRegs, and other associated regulations are in 33CFR, while the licensing
regs are all in 46CFR.

A quick scan of 46CFR10 (The Code of Federal Regulations, Title 46 [Shipping] Part 10 [Licensing or
Maritime Personnel]) reveals that the phase "sail, or sail auxiliary" is used many times.

Here's an example, perhaps the one that would apply to Neal:

Sec. 10.454 Service requirements for mate of Great Lakes and inland
steam or motor vessels of not more than 200 gross tons.

(a) The minimum service required to qualify an applicant for a
license as mate of Great Lakes and inland steam or motor vessels of not
more than 200 gross tons is six months of service in the deck department
of steam or motor, sail, or auxiliary sail vessels. To obtain authority
to serve on the Great Lakes, three months of the required service must
have been on Great Lakes waters, otherwise the license will be limited
to the inland waters of the United States (excluding the Great Lakes).
(b) In order to obtain an endorsement on this license for sail or
auxiliary sail vessels, the applicant must submit evidence of three months of service
on sail or auxiliary sail vessels.

Its pretty clear that the "auxiliary sail" endorsement is what would apply to most of our vessels.
Unfortunately, the CFR never formally defines "auxiliary sail," but the do "include by reference"
the ABYC definitions, which I believe are quite clear.

So, Neal, you may be able to claim that if you never raise the sail, you are a powerboat. But with
the sail up you are either a sail, or auxiliary sail, neither of which are you licensed for.

--
-jeff


"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Read the Colregs, Trash! Any time machinery is in use a sailboat
becomes a motorboat no matter how much drive is being provided
by sails. This is not so hard to understand. I have to laugh to
think so many small minds fail to comprehend it. What do you
think is the purpose of displaying the upside-down cone when
the sails are up and the motor is on? It means you are a motor
boat by the Rules. I can deliver any and all aux/sailboats
legally. The only vessel I cannot deliver legally or charter
legally is a pure sailboat (no machinery for propulsion).

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ...
Huh? Sounds a bit like using the "I was listening to Limbaugh" excuse
when stopped for speeding. Good story til you try to use it for real. Yes,
you will get away with it. Until you get stopped. The mere act of having
sails raised is prima facie evidence that the vessel was sailing. Plenty of
probable cause to open an investigation.First thing that will happen is the
USCG OIC will ask you for your license. Then they keep it pending outcome
of their investigation. You won't need it anymore. They have no sense of
humour with smartasses and sea lawyer wannabes that think they are stupid.

In the area of not making a living with a sixpack license. For sure if you
are limited to no endorsements and near coastal and think you will rely on
the sailing trade. 100 ton licenses are practical WITH a towing
endorsement, with a radar endorsement and with any other endorsement you can
tag on. and only on powered commercial vessels. Beyond that it takes
STCW-95 qualifications for anything in excess of 150 miles offshore.

What it is good for is measuring some ability (book learning not practical)
and indicates you MAY be able to actually perform. But unlike a British
license it doesn't mean you have any practical ability beyond taking written
tests. Combine it with an AB Card and a test of practical ability is
included. Yes, AB's take the exact same ColRegs test as so the 100
tonners. On our bridge team last trip we had seven AB's including the
Bo's'n. One 1600 ton Captain/unlimited tonnage Mate license, One 500 ton
license, Four 100 ton licenses and one guy who just made AB. Three were
heading to 3rd Mate Unlimited Tonnage school, One was waiting for an opening
for a 3rd Mate job and now has it.

Without the sail endorsement you are not allowed to operate with paying
passengers or charge to deliver a sailing vessel. Besides you don't need a
license to take people out for a sail. Without the towing endorsement you
are not allowed to accept payment for towing but you can still tow. However
if you are doing either one for free or fun AND have a licenseyou are still
liable and held to a higher standard as if you were getting paid. It's a
two edged sword.

But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?

Cheers and fair winds

MST