Or in the SF bay... mostly mud, some rocks, and a few crapola
hunters sitting on the bottom.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
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Once again, you demonstrate very limited experience.

There are many locations where its not possible to avoid hazards just by
looking at the
water. This may be possible in the Keys or Bahamas (up to a point) but
not in New England
or the Chesapeake.

Most of the hard groundings I've witnessed could have been avoided if more
attention had
be paid to the depth sounder. For example, Boston Harbor has only one
non-obvious hazard
near the main channel, Lower Middle. You can't get close to it without
going through 100
yards of shallow water, yet someone whacks it every week. The Irwin 30 I
sailed for a
season hit it the next year at 6.5 knots in a GPS assisted incident. The
rudder was
broken and the engine was knocked off its mounts.

Neal, if you want to call yourself a "real sailor" you'll have to come up
to New England
to complete your education.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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You're point is not valid for sailors. Only professional motor
boaters carry on in such a stupid fashion. Only sloppy captains
like Shen44 and Otnmbrd allow such a slovenly-run ship.

Any cruising sailor worth his salt can look into and at the water
and tell immediately if he is in shoal water by the color, wave
action, shape, etc. Depth sounders are simply not a vital instrument
of navigation. I'd be willing to bet more boats go aground while
the operator is looking at the instrument than when using visual
clues of sea state, color of water, etc.

S.Simon




"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
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Tell that to the crew of the Royal Majesty. They traveled most of the
way from
Bermuda to
Nantucket unaware that their GPS was not working. In the several
hours before they
grounded a glance at the depth sounder would have shown that they were
dangerously off
course.

Frankly I was appalled by this incident, since I have never relied
souly on GPS, but
always verify position with soundings or bearings.

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1997/mar9701.pdf


--
-jeff
"Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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And, good morning to you, sir!

With the advent of GPS and its accurate nature, plotting your
position on a chart is a more accurate method than using
depth readings and dead reckoning. It's that simple.

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Good Morning Simple,

Many of us SAILORS that sail among Whales use charts and depth
finders
to get a location of exactly where we are on the chart. This is an
accepted practest in DED piloting.

We finally got a nice cleaning rain last night and we have about
5mph
wind at the house here. Waiting for my dog to wake up. We'll
probabilly
spend the day out on the water. The Pilothouse will come into
play. Nice
and dry and warm.

OT