Simple Simon wrote:
It doesn't say it per se. However, it IS exclusionary.


Why is it exclusionary? It never says that. In fact, it seems pretty clear from the
wording that they is a zone where both rules apply. You're the one who's been claiming
that the "in sight pecking order" is in force in the fog because in the millisecond before
collision the vessels would have been in sight. Now you're saying that vessels in clear
sight of one another are not permitted to use maneuvering signals if there is a fog bank
nearby.



Manueverng signals in the Rules are always prefaced
with the words 'when vessels are in sight' or some
version of those words. It follows that the signals
do not apply and should not be sounded when vessels
are NOT in sight or in or an area of restricted visibility

Yes, but not "near"

where such signals may be confusing to those vessels
not in sight of each other. This is only common sense
but if you need a Rule to make you happy here it is.


So now your saying not just "near" but within the hearing range, which is a minimum 2
miles. So if there is a fog bank in the middle of Vineyard Sound, maneuvering signals are
not permitted in Wood's Hole? You're losing it, Neal!


RULE 35
Sound Signals in Restricted Visibility

In or near an area of restricted visibility, whether by day
or night, the signals prescribed in this Rule shall be used
as follows:

Then it goes on to delineate the various signals and to
whom they apply. It follows

No it doesn't

that any and all signals
not described shall not be used 'in or near' areas
of restricted visibility just as any and all signals that
may confused may not be use in in-sight situations.

Sound and Light Signals
RULE 36
Signals to Attract Attention

If necessary to attract the attention of another vessel,
any vessel may make light or sound signals that cannot
be mistaken for any signal authorized elsewhere in these
Rules, (snipped rest about light signals

Therefore if a maneuvering signal might be confused as
a fog signal it may not be used 'in or near' areas of
restricted visibility.


There are very few cases where a maneuvering signal can be confused for a restricted
visibility signal. This simply proves my point.



S.Simon - a Captain who's right 9.9% of the time


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Simple Simon wrote:
I'm saying the Rules for restricted visibility apply
'in or near' areas of restricted visibility. Rules for
restricted visibilty state in sight-signals shall not
be used.

S.Simon - a Captain who knows the Rules


Interesting - where does it say that?

-jeff