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New one on me - Laminate Flooring (Long, of course)
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:23:51 -0400, BOB
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previous unsubstainted ramblings for other ignorant elitest, conspire to
make Bayline an easy target
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That's wrong. They're an easy target because they're an easy target.
Very visible, very deficient.
Umm.. okay Wayne, I'll just take this vague statement at face value.
Seriously, Wayne nobody owes anybody and explanation in this group of why
someing is better or worse than something else. But for me to take
someone's word that Bayliner as a brand is so inferior as to be unsuitable
for an application I would need examples that a
1. Specific to Bayliner as a brand across all their boats.
2. Make the boat less capable than the majority of comparable boats.
With the second comment I'm settling on the word "majority" because the
people who bash Bayline make it seem that there worse than ANY comparable
brand, therefore they tecnically should state in what specific way is
Bayliner less capable than ANY comparable boat.
I really don't think is is too much to ask to change my opinion based upon
personal experience.
Most of what I have see have been:
A friend of mine...
Pictures on a Website...
Its a fact that (put outrageous claim here)...
I am relying on years of personal experience and 100's if not 1000's of
hours on Bayliners and other boats, to form the opinion, that I believe
that bayliners are a viable brand. I can't and don't dispute, they may be
less suited for SOME applications than SOME brands, but by and large they
can do anything that the most other brands can do. This, in my opinion
suggest, that they get much more more malignment than they deserve.
Perhaps "conspire" is too strong a word. But let's face it how much
information do you see being pulled out of people ass, solely to knock a
boat they have had little personal experience with. I don't know why it's
done. In Harry's or other cases maybe thay did have bad experiences, I
don't argue with that.
But do those experieces support the absolute statements being tossed out
on rec.boats about the brand as a whole? If so, how come the personal
positive experiences of me and others with the brand, which contradict
these absolute statements that the brand is inferior, have no validity?
While I can not speak for you personally, please don't tell me there is
NOT an unfounded bigotry against this brand, when people like Harry Krause
and spout off a "Typical Bayliner" then list of things he didn't like,
which happen to be in the majority of similar models with different brand
names.
I am willing to believe that the problem is me in conveying what I think,
so I'll try again:
I'm have not and am not arguing that Bayliners are better than any other boat.
I'm have not and am not arguing that any Bayliner, is as good as any other
boat, in ANY environment.
I'm not saying that people have to like bayliner.
I am simply saying that my experiences with Bayliner have formed my
opinion that Bayliners are just as capable as any other comparable boat.
I can only say this with asbolute confidence on Lake Erie due to my
experiences. But most likey, this will equate to most other environments
to at least SOME degree.
As such it is my opinion that bayliners are a for most applications, a
viable, option, and people who continuously and globally bash, dismiss, or
slight the entire Bayliner brand, without provocation, and without a shred
of constructive information, are behaving in a bigoted, and unfair
manner.
When they act in this bigoted manner they are in fact perpetuating a false
or outdated, or over generalized sterotype, and doing disservice to
Bayliner owners, potential Bayliner owners, and the rec.boats groupo as a
whole.
Why is that so hard for people in this group to accept?
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