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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:08:42 -0000 (UTC), wrote:Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/20/2021 9:10 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/20/2021 6:51 AM, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:30:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Been thinking about the race related violence and deaths that seem to be constantly in the news. The media is fixated on the issue of racial profiling of minorities, especially black folks who are often being singled out for stopping by police for minor traffic infractions that escalate into arrests, resisting and too often violence that result in deaths. My thought: When a officer stops a vehicle for a minor traffic infraction, he or she runs a "check" via radio on the driver's (and sometimes passenger's) license or ID. That check automatically includes a search for any outstanding warrants for that person. If a warrant exists, the person is often cuffed and arrested .... not for the minor traffic infraction that they were stopped for ... but for the outstanding bench warrant. This often turns into resisting arrest with violent results. This is standard operating procedure for law enforcement. Not blaming them ... it's just "how it's done". Maybe that needs to change. What if outstanding warrants were not automatically included in the "check" at the time of the vehicle being stopped? The stop should be only related to the crime or infraction that caused the police to stop the person, be it for speeding, a broken tail light or whatever. It should not be an excuse to check for anything else, based on the officer's suspicions. If a person has an outstanding warrant, the search for him or her is a different issue altogether and other means of apprehending the person should be used, specifically with the warrant being the issue. If the warrant is for a violent crime, it's knowledge might be very useful. I understand but if there is a warrant issued for a violent crime it should be under investigation and pursuit by other means. Some kind of compromise is needed to stop the "profiling" concerns. It's also consistent with law that a stop for one infraction isn't cause for arrest for another. A database search is convenient but not necessarily legal, especially if the initial infraction is a busted taillight. So the fix for stopping arrests of wanted criminals is to just not engage them, and let them go so things don't get violent? If the person has a history of violence, you don't think the officer should know about that when making a legal stop? When you hire someone you do a background check so you know who you are bringing into your company everyday. But police officers should have their hands tied and not know who they are dealing with? They are doing a very valuable and dangerous job, but their moral is at an all-time low and are leaving their jobs at record rates, at least according to some articles I've read lately. I just can't get behind your proposal that puts them at real risk. I have an idea. If the person being stopped could act properly and treat the officer with the respect they deserve, then there will be no issue and everyone will go on about their day. However, if the person being stopped has an outstanding warrant for their arrest, I'd like for the police to get them off the street ASAP to insure the public's safety and security. If the lawbreaker gets their feelings hurt in the process, well too damn bad. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. The issue is racial profiling and stopping people for a minor traffic infraction just to see if they happen to be wanted for something else. My proposal isn't popular for sure but what else can be done? We have all been stopped for minor offense, like no brake lights, brokentail light, failure to,signal, etc. They always run the license platefirst, to see if the car is known from a crime to be stolen or dangerous. Same with the drivers license. Is it legal, suspended, etc. So, you arejust going to have a cop walk to a car without knowing anything about whatthey are stopping? Maybe, if black lives mattered, the black communitywould make,sure the kids finished school, and did not shoot each other withso much frequency. How can Chuvin bee guilty of murder when trying torestrain a violent person, but the Federal Government says there is noevidence of a crime if a Federal officer shoots a unarmed fat white lady?I was stopped for speding a couple weeks ago and the cop knew allabout me before he got out of his car. I handed him my license and started to get my insurance card andregistration when he just said "Are you still with USAA Mr Fretwell"?Then he asked me if I had a firearm. My CCW popped on his computertoo.I was polite, called him sir, in spite of being twice his age and gotaway with a warning for 23 over ;-)I am sure if I tried, I could have been shot.

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