"DSK" wrote in message
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote:

Doug... the topic was based on Bob's claim to be able to set or trim sails
so that a boat can hold and maintain course despite the rudder being free to
swing without restriction up wind from a beam to a close reach. I called
bull****.

Well, as much as it pains me to look like I'm agreeing with Bubbles (who is, to
coin a phrase, nuts), there is a tiny kernel of truth in his claim. Some boats,
when handled properly by some sailors, can do it.


There are some boats, yes. As I reported my old full keel boat would hold a close reach
all afternoon with a "floating" tiller. The real issue was whether a more modern fin
keeler, in particular a C&C 32, would do it.

















Now if you add a drogue to the stern that alone changes the "dynamics" and
emergency steering systems jury rigged would no doubt alter the outcome to
allow progress.

Probably not to windward though. Might be able to make a couple points VMG to
windward but certainly not anywhere near close hauled with a drogue. Try it if
you don't believe me.



It may even be believable that with sufficent and constant
adjustment of sails in flat seas and steady light wind that you can split
the swings to make progress upwind..... but trim to sail to a point without
a rudder.... I can't see it.

Like I said, it depends on the boat and very very much depends on the sailor.
Some boats won't, just like some girls. Sail to a point? Only if you're not real
picky about how small a point.

It gets much easier if the rudder can be locked in place, preferably at or close
to center.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King