On Fri, 1 May 2020 05:33:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 5/1/2020 2:18 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:48:33 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:42:43 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 4/30/2020 7:05 PM, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 05:25:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/29/2020 11:46 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:50:23 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 4/29/2020 5:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:22:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/29/2020 1:41 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John
wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr.
Luddite"
wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he
was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/judge-grants-restraining-order-to-block-extended-stay-at-home-order-reports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order"
requiring
everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type
masks.
You are
required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a
surgical
mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and
you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of
this
was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and
hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to
continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even
Fauci
started out
saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute.
This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all
of
my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are
going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through
a
mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking
about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the
range a
little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They
are
DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then
blow
air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do
with
proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Greg, I don't think the CDC or local governments think people are wearing a mask all day long and certainly not grinding or painting. Yeah they aren't trying to stop particles that are 50 or 100 microns, they
think
you are stopping a 0.3 micron virus with that do rag. The CDC/NIH made a 180 turn on this in a couple of weeks bowing to political pressure to be able to say we are doing something. Greg, I think the early spring heat and humidity in Florida has affected your thought process. Either that or you
live in an alternate universe. The cloth "do" masks are *not* intended to stop a .3 micron virus. They are intended to stop *your* aerosol spray from a sneeze or cough from landing on other people or surfaces. Even the HEPA filters used in airplanes that filter and exchange all the cabin
air
every few minutes won't filter a virus. A virus is typically smaller than .3 microns. Those filters are for airborne bacteria which is much larger than a virus. Nobody is saying you need to wear a mask all day anyway. Only time you need to put one on is just before you enter a store and you
can
remove it once you get back in your vehicle. Then you are handling a contaminated mask several times unless you have a sterile bag of them and another bag to store the dirty ones. The reality is as soon as you get away from Miami/Ft Lauderdale, the virus is not really much of an issue and even with that
big
hot spot, our numbers are a fraction of the Acela corridor, per capita, in every category. If you toss that area, we look more like Texas or Utah. We got a big data dump tonight from Tallahassee and it debunked a lot of scary stuff we were hearing. It was why DeSantis decided to loosen up the choke hold on
our
economy. If I wear a mask once a day or once every two days for about 5 minutes each time while I stop at a store, am not sneezing or coughing ... not even talking really ... do you really think I need to worry about it being "contaminated"? It's not like I am performing surgery or
something.
:-) So why bother? This is a politically correct gesture that is described as "better than nothing" at best and with absolutely no science behind it. Fauci said they were useless until the PC police told him people want to THINK they are doing something. Greg, if I were carrying the covid-19 virus but didn't
know
it becauseI was asymptomatic (at least for the moment) would you like me tosneeze or cough on you? Or even near you?I would be ****ed if you sneezed on me last year, maybe to the pointthat snot might not be the only thing coming out of your nose if Ithought it was intentional but I digress. Didn't we all learn to cover our
mouth when we cough or sneeze 65years ago? They even started teaching us not to use our hand 20 yearsago. That was just colds and Flu but the same principles still apply. Why is that so hard?Fauci initially said wearing a mask was not needed until further data indicatedthe virus could be transferred from person to person
via
sneezing, coughing or even singing (in a group). No one is claiming that amask will 100% protect against this but it reduces the travel ofthe wet sneeze or cough which is carrying the virus. This virus hasproven to be far more contagious than others and anything to reducethe risk of spreading it is worthwhile, not only to
the politicallycorrect but also to the medical experts, including Fauci.He Read this:https://www.livescience.com/how-covid-19-spreads-transmission-routes.htmlSounds like a lot of "we don't know" to me. That pretty much sums upthe science on this thing. They really don't know.At a certain point we are going to be
resolved
to
the fact that thisvirus is out there and it isn't going away. You can run and you canhide but if you want to have a life, you are probably going to beexposed sooner or later. Now they are hedging on whether the vaccinewill even work and whether having antibodies makes you safe.

If you believe the science and the scientists don't know, that
kind of leaves you in the dark, doesn't it? I go along with what
the scientists think might help.

Right now I see this as so much misinformation from politically
correct sources I am not sure I believe anything but the raw data.
My state is 1.9 per 100,000 in death (mostly in counties I quit my
****ing job so I didn't have to go to) and I am not getting my panties
in a wad about that.
If I start coughing, I will wear a mask. Until then, asymptomatic
people are not sneezing and hacking up a lung.
If you are



It has been proven it can be spread simply by being too close to an
infected but asymptomatic person who is just talking.

That's science.

Proven or simply suspected?
Everything I have been reading says they are not sure exactly how this
gets transmitted and it is mostly opinions. The only consistent advice
is wash your hands.