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On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
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On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
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On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

I have yet to see anyone do that. Do you see a lot of that where you live? It
wouldn't take a lot of common sense to dispose of the gloves properly.

Are you saying people are only using masks and gloves once and
throwing them away up there?
That does not seem to be what I see. They pull them off and shove them
in their pocket when they get to the car.
I have trouble not breaking out laughing when I watch what people are
doing.

Actually, I haven't been watching them as you have. I use dog poop bags and
throw them away immediately. They cost a whole three cents each. I don't see
people wearing gloves much, unless they're working in store or carry-out
restaurants. I'd imagine they either rinse them with a clorox solution or throw
them away. I think maybe I give people in general a bit more credit for common
sense than you do.

Perhaps you are experiencing a western Florida thing.

I suspect it was because Costco had a pallet of nitrile gloves near
the door, right at the beginning of this thing. I got a box but for
the shop, not the virus. I do see fewer gloves now but the ones I see
seem to be part of the hoarding. They are not throwing them away. I am
also seeing fewer n-95 masks, probably because they are unavailable
anywhere., It is just the Frito Bandito bandannas and masks made in a
similar fashion.
Nobody seems to be doing the bag trick.