On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:31:38 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/13/19 5:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to
my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other
"customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the
slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the
hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual
safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in
Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in
Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer
down, aka "idiot proof safe."

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I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but
with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for
the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without
cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope
your thumb doesn't slip?


I thought I was reasonable clear... "You had to rack the
slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the
hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual
safety, and "carry" cocked and locked."

On the two SAO's I owned, you racked the slide to put a round in the
chamber. When you did that, the hammer was back and cocked, and the
firearm was ready to fire. If you wanted to carry that way, you'd flick
on the safety. I don't recall how you would get a round in the pipe
without cocking the hammer, and, I was taught to never drop the hammer
on a live round in a SAO pistol unless you wanted the round to go off.
Even with a heavily knurled hammer, your finger could slip off the
hammer and the round could be hit enough to be fired.


My Ruger doesn't have a safety. The thumb deal where the safety would
be decocks the hammer. Then it is a DA for the first shot and SA from
then on. I agree you do have to get used to the difference in
triggers between the first and subsequent shots but that would be part
of the "extend and fire" drill.