wrote:
On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:38:55 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 12/13/18 12:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/13/2018 12:19 PM,
wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:06:18 -0500, "Mr.
Luddite" wrote: On Wednesday,
December 12, 2018 at 7:38:05 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:24:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/12/2018 5:48 PM,
wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018
12:16:27 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 12
Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite
wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi
calling him out and shutting him
down. from the WashPost: Donald
Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate
Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on
camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an
Oval Office spectacle that underscored the
distance between the two sides as they confront a
fast-approaching deadline for a partial government
shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which
Schumer accused the president of throwing a
“temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d
be proud to shut down the government to get the money he
wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border
wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about
25 percent of the federal government would
begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of
thousands of federal workers at risk of
getting furloughed without pay just before
Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart
on border security — the president is demanding
$5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no
more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks
brought them no closer to a resolution. The
three leaders pointed fingers, raised their
voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they
fought over policy and politics, laying bare their
differences for all to see. Pelosi
(D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the
session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the
discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the
acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20
minutes before kicking the media
out of the Oval Office.
As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that
“Elections have consequences, Mr.
President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about
100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall.
Too funny. If I were
Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of
them (but especially Schumer) that if they/he think they
have a better solution they should run for POTUS
in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't
of course. It would expose them again as being the
hypocrites that they are. Their only objective is to oppose
*anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the
best interests of the
country. No one wants Trump's
wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government
shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's
wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are
real things we could do to strengthen our
borders. I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing
else, it slows 'em down a bit. I
don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are
not stopping them you are just wasting time and money. I
really think it would be better to make it easier to get in
legally if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer
down on people who come in illegally. The immigrants who
are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas
because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an American.
There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick
tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes
here from Mexico to do it. Neither you nor I
or Pelosi, Schumer or Trump are qualified to know what
works and what doesn't work. The people on site who are actually
patrolling the border know better than any of us and they
unanimously say a wall is effective and needed. I'd
defer to their experiences. To accomplish the mission of
guarding a wall out in the wilds of Arizona they are probably right
but most illegals in this country entered legally and over stayed
their visa. I don't know about "most" but they do not represent
the bulk of undocumented residents that anyone is concerned about.
They may be "illegal" in the sense that they overstayed their visa
but, as you point out, they originally entered *legally* and were
subject to some level of
vetting. The concern is the hundreds of people a day who are
entering *illegally* with no vetting at all and, when captured,
become wards of the USA until a court hearing can be
scheduled. Until Trump came along they had catch and release.
They would just write them a ticket and turn them loose, hoping they
showed up for the hearing. The guy who did stick around when my wife's
club was "raided" was turned loose right on the spot after they took
his illegal SS and green card. He still had his illegal Fl driver's
license. He showed up a few days later with a new ID but they wouldn't
hire him. But virtually *all* the people illegally entering are
requesting amnesty (as instructed by those making their
"arrangements"). Our laws still require a court hearing to determine
eligibility, even though over 60 percent are *not* eligible. It has
clogged up the court system needlessly and delays claims for those who
are legitimately eligible. Better
to build a wall that prevents them from illegally entering in the first
place and rely on point of entry entrance as our laws call for. An
argument can be made as to the effectiveness of a wall but that's a
different issue. Those patrolling the border claim a wall *is* not
only effective but much needed to get this immigration issue under
control. I see no reason to take at face value claims from a border
patrol that kisses Trump's ass at any opportunity.

Much like us taking anything you say at face value. You are a
proven habitual liar with an IQ hovering around 100 and fading
fast. An empty Brooks Brothers baggy suit.

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'Airree has never impressed me as being a Brooks Brothers type. I'd
guess that he'd be more comfortable in a polyester leisure suit.

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