On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:38:55 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 12/13/18 12:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/13/2018 12:19 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:06:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 7:38:05 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:24:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/12/2018 5:48 PM, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald
Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of
getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media
out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer) that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course. It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are. Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the
country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do to strengthen our borders. I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit. I don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are not stopping them you are just wasting time and money. I really think it would be better to make it easier to get in legally if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer down on people who come in illegally. The immigrants who are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an American.
There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes here from Mexico to do it. Neither you nor I or Pelosi, Schumer or Trump are qualified to know what works and what doesn't work. The people on site who are actually patrolling the border know better than any of us and they unanimously say a wall is effective and needed. I'd defer to their experiences. To accomplish the mission of guarding a wall out in the wilds of Arizona they are probably right but most illegals in this country entered legally and over stayed their visa. I don't know about "most" but they do not represent the bulk of undocumented residents that anyone is concerned about. They may be "illegal" in the sense that they overstayed their visa but, as you point out, they originally entered *legally* and were subject to some level of
vetting. The concern is the hundreds of people a day who are entering *illegally* with no vetting at all and, when captured, become wards of the USA until a court hearing can be scheduled. Until Trump came along they had catch and release. They would just write them a ticket and turn them loose, hoping they showed up for the hearing. The guy who did stick around when my wife's club was "raided" was turned loose right on the spot after they took his illegal SS and green card. He still had his illegal Fl driver's license. He showed up a few days later with a new ID but they wouldn't hire him. But virtually *all* the people illegally entering are requesting amnesty (as instructed by those making their "arrangements"). Our laws still require a court hearing to determine eligibility, even though over 60 percent are *not* eligible. It has clogged up the court system needlessly and delays claims for those who are legitimately eligible. Better
to build a wall that prevents them from illegally entering in the first place and rely on point of entry entrance as our laws call for. An argument can be made as to the effectiveness of a wall but that's a different issue. Those patrolling the border claim a wall *is* not only effective but much needed to get this immigration issue under control. I see no reason to take at face value claims from a border patrol that kisses Trump's ass at any opportunity.

Much like us taking anything you say at face value. You are a
proven habitual liar with an IQ hovering around 100 and fading
fast. An empty Brooks Brothers baggy suit.

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'Airree has never impressed me as being a Brooks Brothers type. I'd
guess that he'd be more comfortable in a polyester leisure suit.

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