On 10/31/2018 2:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 2:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2018 1:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/31/18 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 06:43:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:
On 10/30/18 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:10:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:
POTUS Pig Vomit wants to kill the 14th Amendment, theÂ* one that
says:
"???Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
States
and of the State wherein they reside."
You just know that Orange Asshole has never read the
Constitution and if
heÂ* does ever read it, heÂ* won't understand it.
Trump is not the first one to question what "Under the
jurisdiction of
the US" really means. I heard it discussed in the 90s when
Clinton was
on the anti immigration bandwagon and it has popped up a number of
times since then.
Did Clinton suggest abrogating the 14th via Executive Order?
You consistently miss the forest toÂ* bite on a tree.
Maybe not Clinton personally (I never heard him say either way) but
there was a lot of discussion about the same question we are having
today. What does "under the jurisdiction" really mean?
If we did not have such a feckless legislature they would have
written
a decent immigration bill sometime in the last 80 years but they
haven't.
Unfortunately in their absence it will come down to what 5 people in
the SCOTUS decide.
I'd be surprised if the lower federal courts or the Supremes even took
up the case. The first sentence of the article is perfectly clear.
Yes, very clear.Â*Â* And the illegals are they under the jurisdiction?
The
courts do not take it, the executive order stands.Â* Hope you survive
the
apoplexy.
Oh, if Pig Vomit promulgates it, anÂ* immediateÂ* suitÂ* will be filed
againstÂ* it, theÂ* courtÂ* will rule against Pig Vomit,Â* andÂ* the
higher courtsÂ* will let theÂ* ruling stand.
This whole matter has never been tested in a court including the
SCOTUS. Â*Â*New territory.Â* Step one in getting the 14th clarified
is to do exactly what Trump is threatening to do since congress
members just sit on their hands trying to look pretty without taking a
position
that may cost them a vote.
The 14th's first sentence says it all. It is perfectly clear. Trump's
interest is in revving up the right-wing, racist stupidos in his base
for the election. What is it about this plain English sentence you do
not understand:
"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."
The first sentence may say it all to you and many others but it doesn't
mean it says it all to everyone. It was enacted primarily to afford
citizenship to freed slaves. Legal scholars far more qualified than
you or I continue to debate if it is intended to apply to anyone born
here, especially of non-citizen parents and what, exactly, is meant by
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof".
You may have your sea-lawyer opinion and I might have a sea-lawyer
opinion that is not consistent with yours. Only a court challenge that
leads to a SCOTUS decision will clear it up.