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John H. Wrote in message:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:10:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/14/2018 7:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/14/18 6:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 4:22 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:27:32 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/14/18 2:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2018 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/14/2018 10:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 7:47:42 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Well, after we had to evacuate the house for nearly a week while
new hardwoods were being laid, sanded and finished,we are back in
the house today just in time for Florence. At this time the
biggest worry is power outage... the storm is down to a Cat 1,
but
is moving so slowly it will dump lots of rain. We're on a
hill so
no worries of flooding, but power is a concern with a well.
Should
have pulled the trigger on a gen, but we've briefly lost power
twice in ten years, so it hasn't been at the top of the list.
Work
is 10 minutes away, and we have a huge gen, kitchen and
showers so
really no big deal. Plus I have about 5 ways to cook without
electricity, so we are OK.

Hope anyone in the path fairs well. I'll probably just spend my
time painting the newly remodeled parts. All new appliances next
Tuesday! Then we'll have a complete kitchen again after almost 3
months. Whew!

I've heard nothing but good about this generator from the RV
crowd.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3500-w...tor-63584.html



As soon as I find a buyer for my Honda 2200, I'm getting the
Predator.


Thanks, but I need 240V@30A to run the well pump.


I don't necessarily need 240v (split phase) but if my Honda ever
gives
up the ghost I'll shop for one.

Speaking of the Honda ... I just pulled it out of the storage
shed and
gave it three pulls. Fired right up. Last time it was used was
last
winter when we lost power for a couple of days. Still has the same
gas in it that it had then with a splash of Stabil in it. I have it
running right now, trying to run it out of gas so I can use fresh
gas
if and when I need it again. It's just purring away on the old gas.

So much for the stories that gas goes bad in a month or two. It may
lose some of it's BTU's so an engine can't develop it's full HP
rating
but I see no evidence of that. I put a 1500 watt space heater on it
as a load so it burns the gas faster and it runs just fine.



That is the good thing about propane. It doesn't go bad. The problem
is it may be hard to come by and very expensive after a storm. My
generator will run both.



I forgot that Harry looks down at little, gasoline powered generators
because *he* has a big, whole house generator, supplied by a 1,000 gal
propane underground tank. It starts once a week, runs for 10 minutes
and shuts off, similar to my neighbor's generator whole house
generator
he installed three years ago. My neighbor is actually hoping for a
longer term power outage just so he can justify the investment he
made.

I've used my generator twice since Hurricane Wilma in 2005, not
counting
the summer the stone cutters used it everyday when installing the
pool.
Each power outage was of relatively short duration and we got by just
fine with it.

I don't look down my nose at gasoline powered generators. I don't know
if a gasoline-powered generator is available in the size we have that
would be adequate to run one of our furnace/heat pumps, the well pump,
and some appliances and lights. The well pump and heat pump require a
substantial generator to start up and run. In the winter, if you don't
have some heat available, the water pipes in the walls can freeze.
Fixing that would cost a lot more than a generator.

Oh, it's a 500-gallon buried tank. We did have one four-to-five day
power outage in which the genny served us well.

Do you honestly think you need all that when there's a power outage?
Most of us could live with a
couple space heaters, refrigerator, and some lights.

Worried about water in pipes? Drain 'em. Buy some bottled water. Fill
the bathtubs for the toilet.
You're a mess. If you just have to have running water, leave the
faucet trickling. I doesn't get
into the negative numbers around here very much, especially in racist
southern MD where you live.



In an insulated house up my way it takes far more than a day or two of
temps near zero or below to start being concerned with frozen pipes.
Don't think it gets that cold in Harry's neck of the woods.



How long does it take? Do you know? We've had winters in which the temps
were in the single digits for a few days and only up in the teens later
in that week. Would that be enough to freeze the pipes in an unheated
house?


I stated that it takes far more than a day or two of temps near zero or
below. How do I know? Because I've experienced it.

Insulation is nothing more than a time delay for heat loss. However,
that time delay can be quite lengthy for a well insulated house. The
delay is also a factor of the delta T of the ambient temperature outside
and the temperature inside the house and how often water flows through
the pipes. During the last 2 day outage we experienced in our former
house the outside temps during the day didn't rise above 12 degrees (F)
and nights were below zero. After two days the house temp was still
at 62 degrees inside. That's when I decided to hook the generator up
to the heating system. Fortunately, power was restored a few hours later.

If your house is poorly insulated or (worse yet) water pipes in outside
walls were not installed properly, (meaning ending up between the
insulation and the outside walls) you may have problems faster.

Only time I've experienced frozen (and burst) water pipes was in Mrs.E's
unheated horse barn where there was no insulation at all, the water
pipes were exposed and I forgot to plug in the heat tape/rope on them.



OK, you've blown his mind. He'll probably shut up for a while.


Unless Fat Harry's house is built like a barn he shouldn't have
pipe burst problems. I had magic heat in 3 of my houses which
kept the basements quite comfortable in weather Fat Harry doesn't
see in South Maryland.
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