On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:11:02 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:25:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 8/6/2018 7:16 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:44:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 8/6/2018 5:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:54:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:40:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

A good video of the problems faced by Scituate, MA, from the nor'easters this past spring.

https://features.weather.com/exodus/...me-every-year/

Much of the problem is blamed on climate change, but the sea level has risen by only 8 inches on
average since 1900. A good article on the problem:

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1...shment-project

"This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million
artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes.

Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that
would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever
concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently
relinquishing control of their property.

Seems like some folks bring on the problems themselves, but like to blame climate change.

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Scituate has been hammered more times than my great grand uncle's
blacksmithing anvil. I'm fine with people living on that beach if
that's what they want, but I'm not fine with repeated tax payer bail
outs.

Can't disagree with that! When seen in an overhead view, it appears they're just trying hard to
tempt mother nature.



Don't go pick'in on one of my favorite towns up here (Scituate) :-)

Go back to your insideclimatenews.org link and scroll down a bit until
you come upon an interactive map. Check that out. You'll find that
Massachusetts has invested a mere pittance to coastal erosion compared
to all the other states on the east coast, especially Florida. Since
1990 Florida has had major projects on both coasts, from Jacksonville to
Miami and from Cape Coral to Tampa.

Most of the money spent has been from New Jersey and southward and
includes every state from there to Florida.


That's what I mean. They blame 'climate change' but don't want to do the things necessary to protect
themselves.



You mean depend on federal bail out funds?


I was thinking more of these folks who don't want to sign away some property rights so the town can
try to fix the problem.

"This year, the town of Scituate, which includes Humarock, proposed building a $9.6 million
artificial dune and raised road to protect the homes.

Yet some residents are prepared to block the project. The town is asking them to sign easements that
would cede property rights along the privately owned beach and allow public access. Whatever
concerns they have about protecting their homes are being overridden by fear of permanently
relinquishing control of their property."

We have the same fight going on here. The Florida constitution already
says the state owns all of the wet sand, usually defined as anything
seaward of the grass line that forms at high tide. (with very few
exceptions).
People have taken that to also include the sand up to the vegetation
line on beach front properties and most of the beaches on the west
coast have public access points. It is really only over on the east
coast where people want walls and fences to keep the public out. There
are a couple of neighborhoods in Naples that are that way too but they
are geographically isolated.
Those areas also tends to be the same Massholes we are talking about
here. (along with other I-95 people)
My take on the whole thing is, I am OK if you want to own the beach in
front of your house but when it washes away, you pay to fix it ... and
you fight for the permits yourself. Explain to your neighbors why the
government is not going to help them either.

When the city of Ft Myers Beach re nourished their beach, there were a
few hold outs who refused to sign the public access deal. The city
just skipped their property and they had lagoons coming right up to
their yards. That just made the erosion worse for them and it also
brought beach walkers onto their grass. They caved.
I am not really a fan of any beach re nourishment because it is always
going to be a temporary fix at a huge public expense but the only way
I will hold my nose and accept it is if this is a public beach.
Otherwise I don't care if your house floats away and I don't want FEMA
to fix it.
I didn't see any government people here at my house cleaning up after
any of the hurricanes and they are not doing **** to repair the HOA
property erosion, nor mine. In fact the government just makes it
harder for us to do anything about it.