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Keyser Soze

On 6/30/18 7:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/30/2018 7:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/30/2018 5:51 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 14:38:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/30/2018 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 09:30:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/30/2018 7:44 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 17:19:51 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:28:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/29/18 12:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2018 11:38 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/18 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:05:34 -0400, Keyser Soze

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On 6/28/18 10:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:13:47 -0400, Keyser Soze

wrote:

On 6/28/18 8:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/28/2018 8:38 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

... shooting in Annapolis, MD ?
..........

This strict gun control laws are really paying off,
arenâ€™t they?

Tim, it's more like this country has gone totally crazy
and out of
control.Â* No clues yet what this guy's motive was but
it won't
surprise me if he turns out to beÂ* a right wing nutcase.

Well, for what it is worth, the police have identified
the guy from
photo recognition software. It was reported he did
"something" to
obliterate his fingerprints. He's a white man, 39 years
old, named
Jarrod Warren Ramos, according to multiple law enforcement
sources, who
apparently lives in Laurel, Maryland.

Ramos has a connection to the paper. He filed a
defamation claim
in 2012
against the paper but the case was dismissed. He also
has a minor
conviction for "harassment" some years ago.

Tim thinks Maryland has "strict" gun laws. That's kind
of funny,
since
Maryland doesn't have "strict" gun laws.

They have most of the things people are clamoring for as
"sensible"
or "common sense" gun laws
* handgun license to buy one
* handgun de facto registration
*Assault Weapons ban
* high cap magazine ban
* universal background checks on all sales
* red flag law

Do they still have that stupid fired case law?

As I said, Maryland does not have strict gun laws.

There is no "handgun license." There is a "handgun
qualification
license."Â* Even an idiot like Alex could get one.

I'm not sure what "handgun de facto registration" means.

There is no "assault weapons ban." Most AR-15 type rifles
are banned if
they don't have heavy barrels, but you can buy an AR-10
off the shelf,
and any number of different semi-auto rifles.

Only the sale of hi-cap mags are prohibited. Possession is
legal, as is
buying them across the state line and bringing them into
Maryland.

I have no idea what a "red flag" law is.

Your state is one of the ones the left uses for examples of
sensible
gun laws. BTE to enlighten you the red flag law mean they
had the
ability to take Ramos' shotgun based on his social media
rantings but
they didn't.

Thanks for pointing out the futility tho.

Ahh, so there's nothing that can be done. Let 'er rip!

I've come to the conclusion that there really is nothing that
can
be done in terms of new gun laws mainly because of how many guns
already exist and the lack of records as to where they are or
who
owns them. Yeah, mandatory background checks, etc., may help
but most
places already have them.

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause
indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration.Â* If for
some reason
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not
registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of
that firearm.

The data base or registry identifies the owner and the owner
is held
responsible for it and it's use.Â* If stolen, sold or legally
transferred a report of that event or transfer would be
required within
48 hours.

Not dissimilar for titles for vehicles.

So to some ... go take an antacid.

It's the tiny bit of liberal DNA in me.

I'd certainly support complete registration of all firearms as
a decent
start. Used firearms must be registered, too. Along with the
registration, a mandatory background check of the purchaser. All
firearms, no exceptions.

That would not have changed any of the recent shootings at all.
They had no problem tracing this guy's shotgun back to the dealer
within hours. What would registration do?

I can't understand why you are so down on registration of firearms
and the attendant paperwork and
bureaucracy.

The purpose of all that is to help find the perpetrator when he
robs
a 7/11, shoots someone, and
leaves his gun on the counter as he departs.

Now get off this negative attitude!

There's another aspect of mandatory gun registration that I'd
like to
see implemented and enforced.Â* Similar to some of the
Admiralty/Maritime
laws, I think firearms used in any kind of criminal activity
should have
some level of responsibility traced back to the owner on record,
regardless if the owner on record was even remotely connected to the
crime committed.

Before Greg points out that it "wouldn't have prevented any mass
killings" so therefore it's not helpful,Â* I'd like to make the point
that perhaps with some criminal responsibility hanging on owner's
heads
they may be more careful in the control of who has access to their
firearms.Â* I am thinking of the kid in one of these shootings who
got
the firearm from his mother who technically owned it.

Since there was no problem establishing who owned the gun, again,
what
would registration accomplish?
It is just one more layer of bureaucracy and no doubt tax.
Laws requiring proper storage of the gun already exist, even in gun
friendly states like Florida but, since Lanza (Sandy Hook) shot his
mom when he took the gun, I doubt the law would have much punishment
available to use against her.

It's kinda fun watching you come up with every reason in the world
to do nothing.

Bull****. He's not advocating 'do nothing'. He's pointing out the
futility of passing more laws
which do nothing to stop the shootings but do create more government
jobs and paperwork.

Bull**** yourself.Â* It seems any attempt to even discuss possibilities
of how to address the killing that takes place using guns is countered
by "it wouldn't have stopped ...."

That has not been my point throughout this discussion.

All the discussion has been about laws to stop the killings.Â*Â* Murder is
outlawed, has not helped.Â*Â* The discussion should be on what would change
the culture of violence.Â*Â* You have popular games like Grand Theft Auto.
Really graphic.Â*Â* The movies since the spaghetti westerns have glorified
bloody killing in slow,motion.Â*Â* These changes are good?Â*Â* We have a
modern
Prohibition like alcohol, which created the Mobs.Â*Â* Now we have a drug
culture, that does drive by shootings to define territory, not
necessarily
to eliminate competition.Â*Â* Changing the registration laws would do jack
**** for reducing the violence.

"Changing our culture"Â* regarding guns has been the main point I have
been trying to make ... perhaps poorly.

Registering all firearms will not immediately reduce gun violence or
mass shootings but it is a step towards raising an "awareness" about
guns in our society overall.Â* Seems every time a bunch of innocent
people get killed it's all the news for a week or so and then it's back
to life as usual.

Combine that with your example of violent video games and a oh-hum
acceptance of blood and gore in the movies that is a component of the
"culture" we have now.Â* Isn't it time for us to start really thinking
about what is being accepted as "normal"?

The same video games and movies pretty much are played and watched in
democracies around the world. Why don't those societies have the sort of
mass shootings we do? Could it be the easy availability of guns and a
gun culture?