wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 21:03:55 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 8:54 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/14/18 8:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/14/2018 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:37:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:
The USA did a lot to help beat the Germans and save Europe but
sometimes
I think we tend to minimize the contributions and sacrifices made
by Russia.
It the Germans had not screwed up and attacked Russia we might be
looking at a completely different Europe, one that speaks German.
If the Germans had simply concentrated on invading the UK in the
summer of 41, and not instituting operation Barbarosa, I doubt anyone
would have been able to stop them. The US was still pretending to be
neutral at the time.
If we really had to try to take back all of Europe from Western Africa
with no infrastructure to support an invasion force and the Germans
pretty much controlling the Atlantic from Gibraltar to Iceland along
with choking off the Med and owning it, I don't even know how we would
get there.* I am not even sure we would try.
The United States suffered 419,400 fatalities for all WWII related
causes and had 671,801 total injured.
The Soviet Union suffered somewhere between 20,000,000 to 27,000,000
fatalities with 14,685,593 injured.
That was the only point I was trying to make but now Harry calls me a
Putin lover.
Estimates vary, but the number of Russians killed by Stalin range from
about 8 million to 20 million.
What does that have to do with sacrifices made by the USSR in WWII?
Try to pay attention.
Life is considered cheap in Russia and lots of deaths may not be a strong
motivator. Get it?
It's a good thing too. If the Russians had of worried about the
casualties and sued for peace in 1941-42 as Hitler thought they would
and Stalin had pulled back to the territory he could keep, UK would
have been crushed, long before there was anything we could have done
to stop them.
Was mostly the Russian winter that got the Germans. When I was with NCR,
one of the customers data center manager was a German. We were talking
about Mercedes and fine German Engineering. Otto spoke up and said it
sucked. He was on the Russian front as a German artillery man. He said
when winter came, their 88’s froze up. Could not be fired. When they
fired, were extremely accurate. He said during the winter, the Russian
guns only hit in the general area they were aimed. But they were a
fraction bigger than his Weapon and could fire the German shells, but not
the reverse. So, we sat and got the **** shot out of us with our own
ammo. Some movies of the Russian retreating at Stalingrad and the lake
ice is 4”of water on top as they hauled ass. Prevented the Russians from
following.