On 2/26/2018 10:57 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 10:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 10:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 9:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
True North wrote:
How long will it be before the first teacher accidently shoots a
student.
It will happen considering how gun crazy people are south of the
border.


Bet on it. Dumbest idea ever.



You have (or had) a concealed carry permit.
I have a concealed carry permit.
Many people have a concealed carry permit.

What's the purpose of a concealed carry permit?

Last resort self-defense for yourself and/or others.Â* Correct?

What's so different about a teacher who wants a concealed carry permit
(or already has one) ?

The difference is the teacher unions.Â* Special authorization would be
required to be armed on public school property.



1. It is difficult if not impossible for a skilled, motivated shooter
with a handgun to face down a ****ed-off shooter with a high-powered
semi-auto rifle. Most school shooters are using AR-type rifles. A
teacher with a handgun likely will not have a lot of experience
shooting and is likely going to be cut down in short order.

2. When the police enter a building in which there is an active
shooter, they tend to identify the shooter as the person holding and
perhaps shooting the firearm. More dead teachers.

3. Where is the teacher supposed to keep the firearm? Will it be
stolen? Or will a kid, especially a little kid, grab the firearm to
play with it and accidentally shoot himself or a buddy or the teacher?

4. Lawsuits. Lots of lawsuits. You can imagine the variety.


The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who
enters, have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to
cut down on the number and sorts of firearms available to the general
public, provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the
age limit for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and
treat the NRA for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly
to promote the sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and
more firearms.


I guess your logic and arguments support the Florida cop's decision
not to engage Cruz because he had an AR-15.Â*Â*Â* Oh, well.Â* 17 dead.

(That whole issue, the numerous prior contacts and tips police had
about Cruz and the FBI's failure to followup on tips really needs to
be thoroughly investigated).

The proposal for teachers having guns includes having them in a
secure, locked safe. No reason for kids or anyone to know they exist.
May take a little time to retrieve a firearm but would probably beat
the time required for police to arrive.

I understand the confusion that could occur regarding police showing up
and facing an armed teacher.Â* That problem needs to be resolved however
if law enforcement already knows that good guys may be armed,
precautions can be taken. Good guy/bad guy training is part of some
police training courses.Â* Maybe an instant alarm signal to the police?

Again, nobody is talking about arming teachers against their will. It
is an idea only for those who feel compelled to volunteer.



I can only imagine the lawsuits that will result from armed teachers.
Oh, teachers aren't always in the same classrooms...or maybe they are in
the cafeteria...or coaching...or the lock on the mini gun safe won't open.

Arming teachers is not the answer.


Guess you're right. Nothing can be done. We'll just have to live with it.

And please don't give me the "lock up the school like a safe" BS. Many
or maybe even most schools do that now-a-days yet these nut-cases still
find a way to get in. Or, maybe they'll have to revert to sitting
outside waiting for the kiddies to exit to the school buses before he
mows them down.

No plan is absolute. It just seems to me that a response that is faster
than the police arriving may save some lives.