On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:06:03 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 9:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:33:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over 1500lbs.

Harry is a high volume dealer but he never has a lot of inventory in
his floor plan. A small safe works for him.
BTW have you ever seen how long the typical "gun safe" holds up to a
determined thief with modern tools?
A diamond blade in a $20 Harbor Fright circular saw will slice through
the side or back of these things in a few minutes. A regular "metal"
cutting carbide blade will defeat most of them.
It is noisy and dusty but effective on just about anything but 1/4"
armor plate. Most are 16ga up to 12ga steel with some kind of cement
board or even fire code drywall between layers.


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

1/8" sheet metal.
A side grinder will go right through it although a metal blade in a
circular saw is faster and easier to control.
Safes are a good way to store your guns and keep them away from
curious hands (kids and sightseers). It also gives you fairly good
climate control but a thief who knows what he wants to steal is not
going to be deterred very long.
My buddy with all of the machine guns decided armoring a closet with
3/4" plywood and a layer of 18ga galvanized was as good as a safe and
a whole lot cheaper. He put in the best commercial roll up door in
there he could find. He figures that will stop anyone who has never
been to Home Depot.
I have a number of "safes", all fairly well hidden in compartments
that are not easy to detect. That is fairly easy to do when you are
building or remodeling. Just don't make it easy to figure out how
thick a wall is. (you can't see both sides without going around a few
corners)
My theory is if they can't find it, they can't steal it.
I also have a couple hide out guns in hidden compartments that are
easier to access but still requiring a trick, like a keypad. That
would be my go to thing if the Philistines were at the gate.
Fortunately I live in a place that is safe enough that I am not really
worried about it. In Maryland I had my 97 Winchester loaded under the
bed and a .45 in the night stand.