On 10/12/2017 11:04 AM, wrote:
On 12 Oct 2017 13:51:41 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 00:33:16 -0400, wrote:

Diesels 'usually' last longer than a gas job and are much more
economical on fuel. But what you save in fuel costs probably don't
over ride the massive up front expense of the whole unit. Bad trade off IMO.


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Increased range because of greater fuel economy is the most common
reason for justifying the higher cost. Diesels use almost 50% less
fuel for the same power output, and have higher low end torque.


Which also allows bigger, more efficient props running at lower RPM.


I was reading an article somewhere else that said the economy might
not make the difference in less than 10,000 hours. They also assume
higher maintenance cost, particularly with a belt drive. I am curious
how the belt is working out on the 7 Marine.

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Here's a real world example of the diesel vs gas engine trade off. Our
old Bertram 33 had a 320 gallon fuel tank which seems like a lot but
it had 454 gas engines which burned 35 gallons per hour. Cruising
speed barely reached 18 knots on a good day. Doing the math, you come
up with a safe fuel range of less than 140 miles, not enough for
offshore canyon fishing in the NY area. Converting to diesel engines,
the burn rate drops to about 20 gallons per hour, and cruising speed
climbs to 23 knots or so, for a fuel range of around 300 miles. That's
a big difference in the capability of the boat and has nothing to do
with the price of fuel or reliability.

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About $75,000 to $100,000 for removal of gas engines, engineering,
plumbing, new pair of 250 to 300 HP diesels. If gasoline is three bucks a
gallon, the conversion would cover 25,000 gallons of gasoline. Ouch. ?

Realistically you would be trading the whole boat or just buying
diesel power in the first place so the difference would be less. I
wonder what the difference is on a new boat powered each way. I
suppose it is a pay me now or pay me later thing.



Might be hard to compare. A boat of the size and weight that justifies
a diesel probably isn't (or shouldn't be) available in gas.

I know of two people who did gas to diesel conversions. The first was
an old, early 80's vintage Hatteras (36 footer) that originally had gas
engines. They were replaced many years ago with a pair of DD 6-71's and
that boat is still going strong. (Justin: "My Way"). The only problem
is that the added weight causes it to "squat" and it really doesn't run
well on a plane. But, an old Hat is a very heavy boat.

The other conversion was on a 27 or 28 foot Blackfin. The guy who owned
it was big time into fishing and when the gas engines required a rebuild
he replaced them with diesels. I remember when he relaunched and
arrived at his slip in Scituate. The boat sat noticeably much lower in
the water. (Justan: You know him also ... I forgot his name but he
used to run the shark tournaments at Oak Bluffs). There was another
guy named Carl who also had a similar, but gas powered Blackfin on the
same dock.) Fun times back then.