"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 10/8/2017 7:16 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 6:19 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 17:46:40 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/8/17 3:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 2:31 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is
limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm
not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally -
thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter
V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong
boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then
running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in
tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last
time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident
neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the
last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but
that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are
cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never,
ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced
price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the
previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with
the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice
for ocean boating.




Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

Surprises me that Parker makes a bow rider. Nice boat with pretty LED
lights but for ocean boating? No thank you. Much rather have the bow
area enclosed.


The interior isn't much different than a large, heavy center console of
similar dimension, and plenty of guys go offshore on good days in those
boats. Hell, plenty of guys go 20 miles offshore in smaller, less
capable boats.

The difference is the weight of the bow. In a center console the wave
will pop the bow up. In a bow rider the extra weight up front, even
without 2 fat people, will hold it down.
Once you get a big enough gulp of water in there the scuppers go under
and it is a self sinker.


I doubt it. This is basically the same hull I had on my 25' Parker, and
it rode pretty high in the bow, even though there was more weight up
there than the bow rider in question. Obviously a cabin boat will take
on less water, but I don't see this bowrider as problematical for near
offshore boating.


"High in the bow" is meaningless in some conditions. It's still very
possible to get between a couple of large waves that will bury the bow
of that Parker and certainly that of a Bayliner. I've been on a
destroyer that buried it's bow in waves time after time when in
seriously rough seas. From the bridge it looked like a submarine
starting a dive.

In my mind it's how easily and quickly the boat will drain excessive
water taken over the bow. A cabin covering the bow is best because it
allows the least amount of water to get in the boat in the first place.
A center console I think is next best because there is less of a barrier
on the deck for the water to reach the scuppers. A bow rider, in my
opinion, is for flat water or near flat water boating because it's
design usually results in people sitting in the bow rather than back in
the cockpit or around the helm station, exacerbating the potential for
taking a "greenie" over the bow or worse yet, as Greg mentioned, burying
the bow in a wave.






I took pictures of waves breaking over the flight deck on my ship.
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