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Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 10/4/2017 3:34 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 20:31:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2017 8:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.

It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a
rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an
old gun.

I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts".

How about selling it to your neighbor?

Nope.

I don't know how it works in other states but here in MA a background
check is done when you apply for a permit. Once issued, it is good for
six years after which you apply for a renewal and a check is done again.

During the time you hold the permit a quick state check (via phone or
computer) is done by the FFL dealer whenever you purchase a firearm to
ensure the permit is still in good standing and has not been revoked for
any reason. Private sales may be made to other MA residents by going
on-line, providing both his and your permit numbers, the firearm type
and serial number and current addresses. If no issues, you are done and
the sale is legal.

What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.

You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

When I moved I was required to send (by state law and by certified mail)
change of address forms to:

1. The police department in which the permit was issued.
2. The police department in the town I moved to.
3. The State of Massachusetts (some department that I've forgotten).

When I renew my permit it will be in the town to which I moved.

This is simply a permit to own a gun? Can anyone get such a permit, or is it restricted to those
with a 'special' need?

It's not special but it's up to the town or city police chief as to what
type of permit you can get. He can also impose restrictions on it
if he is so inclined. That's the "may" issue part. For rifles and
shotguns MA is a "shall" issue state, assuming no issues with a
background check.

I have the Class A with no restrictions. I can carry concealed and, as
I've mentioned before, am permitted to own just about any firearm made
and large capacity magazines. Only exception is a sub-machine gun.
However, as previously mentioned, it doesn't mean anything because you
can't buy many guns or magazines over 10 round capacity anyway here.

For many years it was almost impossible for the average Joe to get a gun
permit in most of MA but people started suing towns, citing 2nd
Amendment rights and the towns started allowing permits to be issued
more freely. Still have to pass an FBI background check though.