On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 14:57:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/19/2017 2:20 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/19/17 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:00:00 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/19/17 12:05 PM, wrote:


I am still waiting for more information before I start jumping to
conclusions.
I have seen the track of the freighter but I have not seen that laid
down over the track of the destroyer. There is a lot of chatter out
there but not much that has been confirmed.

As for the ship itself, WWII pretty much proved big heavily armored
"battleships" were just bigger targets. They were really only useful
for shore bombardment. Light and fast is better than slow and tough
because armor seldom actually stood up to a large naval rifle in the
first place. Most naval museums seem to show a piece of armor over a
foot thick with a bullet hole in it. These days the hole is likely to
be through the deck anyway, even from a missile.


Well, I'm betting on lack of knowledge of what happens or can happen at
sea, too much dependence on computer monitors, and not enough time on
ship operations simulators, assuming the navy uses them.

There may be too much dependence on technology but unless things have
really changed there was no shortage of drills and actual experience
on a ship. I doubt there are any simulators. There may be a shortage
of experienced sailors tho as turnover is a big problem in all of the
services.


Hmm. The U.S. maritime trades unions have big time ships operation
simulators for training. So do some European nations. Some years ago, I
got to "drive" (and crash) a tanker on one of the union simulators.

The helmsman on a Navy ship follows the orders of the Officer of the
Deck or the Captain if he/she is on the bridge. The helmsman isn't
making unilateral decisions. Line officers who are qualified to "have
the con" are well trained and versed in navigation rules ... unless they
screw up and make the wrong decision or don't make a timely decision.



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So if the officer is texting and the helmsman sees an imminent collision,
he just ignores it because he has no permission to change course, eh?

Most of the time war ships are operating pretty far away from the
regular shipping lanes but when you are close aboard another vessel
(we are still talking miles away) you will have an officer on the
bridge and there is usually a senior noncom there too, who usually has
a lot more bridge time than the OD.
At least that is the way it worked in the puddle pirate navy,
I wouldn't count on the helmsman actually seeing a collision happening
in time to do much about it anyway, particularly if you are getting T
boned from 090. That is what Radar and lookouts are for.

As an aside, I would not be surprised if there are simulators for
aircraft carriers but these smaller ships are pretty nimble and the CO
usually prides himself in being able to wave off the tugs and dock
them without help.