On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 19:00:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/16/2017 6:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 17:36:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



It was pointed out by a military guy today on the talking head shows
that if we were really targeting caves, we should have used the MOP,
not the MOAB.


The MOAB did the job according to those inspecting the area.

Hmmm the DoD sources are saying the DoD did a good job, whodathunkit.
I am sure there is a big crater and anyone outside the cave was killed
but we could have done that with a stick of cluster bombs. That just
wouldn't have been news when they needed some news.



We are beating this subject to death, but Mrs.E is visiting my son and
his family in South Carolina and I am somewhat bored, so what the hell:

Firstly, the sources who initially reported the results were Afghan
officials who were on site and inspecting up close and personal. I
suppose you'll just say they are in bed with the DoD, but I thought I'd
point that out.

My understanding of how the MOAB works is that it detonates about 6 feet
above the ground. It's primary effect is to generate a massive shock
wave that travels into the caves and down the tunnels, destroying them
and anything in them. The shock wave is what does all the damage.
Almost all the "experts" interviewed on media seem to be in agreement
with this, as are written sources on how the MOAB works.

A secondary effect, although I am not sure about it, is that the size of
the explosion burns up all the available oxygen, supposedly killing
anything alive. Not sure I totally buy that but I am just a layman with
an opinion.

Until someone answers the question, how many were outside walking
around minding their sheep or farming and how many were actually
killed inside the caves we do not know exactly how effective it was.
If they actually collapsed caves, how did they get the body count and
how many came out the other side coughing dust?

When I read the MOAB stories it says that was for surface targets and
the MOP was for underground targets.
I suppose the problem is we have no clue what is underground. It
turned out all of those pictures of Bin Laden's suspected underground
compounds were simply Mechanix Illustrated style fantasy. Oh and he
was a whole country away anyhow.