On 4/15/17 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/15/2017 10:20 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/15/17 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/15/2017 8:23 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/15/17 7:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Not to start a debate but it seems your definition of what a "Barrel
Bomb" is differs considerably from what the common definition is.
The MOAB recently used is far from being a "Barrel bomb".

Here's Wiki's definition of a barrel bomb:

"A barrel bomb is an improvised unguided bomb, sometimes described
as a
flying IED (improvised explosive device). They are typically made
from a
large barrel-shaped metal container that has been filled with high
explosives, possibly shrapnel, oil or chemicals as well, and then
dropped from a helicopter or airplane.[1] Due to the large amount of
explosives (up 1,000 kilograms (2,200 lb)), their poor accuracy and
indiscriminate use in populated civilian areas (including refugee
camps), the resulting detonations have been devastating.[2][3][4]
Critics have characterised them as weapons of terror and illegal under
international conventions".

I don't know why you think the MOAB use is a "barrel bomb".

Isn't it amazing how *their* weapons are weapons of terror and our
weapons, which also kill innocent civilians, aren't. Our weapons
must be
weapons of peace.

What a crock of crap you militarists try to sell.


Ok. Let's just all hold hands and sing peace songs. Maybe the
terrorists and brutal dictators in the world will lose interest and join
in. That's ticket!





That's not the point. We also kill lots of innocent civilians.


Yup. It's a sad commentary to war. The USA does it's best to avoid
collateral damage which is one reason why we almost exclusively use
precision guided munitions now-a-days. The other reason is they are
accurate, so there's a higher probability of doing the job without
having to lob hundreds of thousands of bombs to accomplish the same
thing. It's called progress.

We also don't intentionally target civilians or areas of high civilian
population. Our adversaries use this to their advantage by surrounding
their areas of operations with innocent civilians.

And then there are those who intentionally gas civilian population
areas, suffocating people including infants and then claim all the
videos made of their suffering were done by actors and produced by the USA.

We also don't follow up an attack like that by bombing the hospital that
the injured and suffering were being treated.

Gezus. Don't you ever get disgusted by what our adversaries do? Or are
you only disgusted by what we do in retaliation ... in this case on
humanitarian grounds?





I'm disgusted by attempts to claim the high moral ground for activities
that aren't that all different from the activities of our adversaries. I
have no moral objections to the missile attack on the Syrian air base or
the big bomb dropped on the Afghanistan tunnel...but I don't think
they'll resolve anything...they're just a waste of money and lives.