On 9/12/16 8:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/12/16 12:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/11/16 8:00 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:42:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


You mean the ones who have gone through three to four years of serious
apprenticeship training and on the job training? Absolutely in
comparison to those who haven't.

I am having a hard time thinking of a trade that takes 4 years to
learn. This is more about limiting the number of people who can get
into the trades.
There may have been a time when trades were arts but technology has
made the most intricate skills obsolete. Nobody is packing oakum in
cast iron pipe and filling it with molten lead.


Your experience on jobsites that are more than stick built houses and
tilt up strip malls obviously is limited. Try laying out and building a
one wythe serpentine wall 100' feet long, building a 12 story
loadbearing office building, doing the pipe welding for a nuclear
facility or the iron work on a 60-story building and get back to me with
your two weeks of training. Your arrogance about the lack of skills of
construction craftworkers never ceases to astonish.


4 years? My brother was a welder on a nuclear facility. He was a welder
on the nuke plant they built in the Antarctic. He did not spend 4 years
learning to weld pipe. Building a 12 story, or a 50 story building, takes
engineering talent, and lots of training. To bolt, rivet or weld that
frame does not take 4 years to learn. I went to school for 36 weeks to
learn to fix mainframe computer systems for NCR. I got a 4 year degree in
Electronic engineering. That did not require 4 years of 40 hour weeks.



Try reading for content. Apprenticeship programs in the skilled trades
typically run three to four years of classroom and practical training.
I love the attempts here to minimize the skills necessary to build large
or complex structures. Hell, man, you fell off the roof of a house, right?

Here, go argue with the owners of this site:

http://www.constructionskills.org/pages/at.html

Apprentices who enter the construction industry through Construction
Skills attend classes paid for by unions and contractors, while
simultaneously being employed on projects in their craft throughout New
York City.*

As part of a registered apprenticeship program, apprentices receive a
minimum of 144 hours of annual classroom instruction covering the
theory, principles and technical knowledge required to do the job. They
also receive on-the-job training while employed at wages which increase
as their skills progress.

At the successful conclusion of apprenticeship training, which typically
lasts 3-5 years depending on the trade, apprentices graduate to journey
workers. Journey workers are recognized as the most qualified members of
their craft and are paid top wages and benefits.

Apprenticeship is the process of learning a skilled occupation through:

On-the-job training (practical, paid experience)

Classroom training (related, technical education)

All training is afforded to you free-of-charge as a union member
(similar to a scholarship)
Apprentices earn approximately $15–20 per hour plus benefits
Journey workers earn approximately $30–40 per hour plus benefits

The length of training varies from two to five years, depending on the
trade.**


* and ** It's pretty much the same for union apprenticeships throughout
the U.S. and Canada.


So, once again, in your long history of doing so, you have ejaculated
nonsense and ignorance.


Does not take 4 years. Fact is with an engineering degree, I can get a
general contractors license with one year of experience.


And build what? Roofs to fall off of?