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Justan Olphart[_2_]

On 11/10/2015 8:43 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/10/15 8:33 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 20:39:15 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 16:51:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 16:29:09 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 16:15:01 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 15:52:28 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 12:09:33 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 11:49:59 AM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 06:22:41 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2015 22:25:23 -0500, wrote:

OK you win, they are flying death machines but I think I
would keep it
to myself if you like flying them ;-)

We're flying machines that could hurt a bird (or a human for
that matter)!

If you say that out loud about the ones the FAA considers hobby
machines, get ready for much more regulation.

There have been plenty of people hurt, and a couple that I know
of killed, by RC airplanes over the years. That has not driven
any regulation. The whole problem with the new "drones" (more
properly quadcopters, drones are sophisticated military killing
machines) is that they can be flown nearly anywhere by anyone
with the cash to buy one and with minimal skills.

The RC hobby was, and still is, almost entirely self-regulated
since the skills to fly an airplane or heli are slowly learned,
require assistance, and require a sizable area in which to learn
and fly. That almost always means there is a club with its
rules and regs, and the requisite membership in a RC
organization that provides landowner and member insurance coverage.

Unfortunately the proliferation of inexpensive gyro stabilized
quadcopters with cameras, coupled with a few ignorant assholes
that have bought them and use them improperly, has driven
proposed regulation that may affect large groups of very safety
conscious, responsible RC hobbyists.

I understand that but RC planes are to drones as ham radio is to CB

Say what?

One is a well disciplined group and the other is a rabble.

No, there are well-disciplined fliers of both airplanes and
multi-rotors in the RC
groups around here. And, there are those as described above around
here. To fly a
first person view multirotor in the clubs here, there must be an
observer whose eyes
are on the aircraft. However, as no runway is required for a
multirotor, any asshole
can launch the thing from his palm and see where he's flying even
though a couple
miles away.

You said it yourself most RC fliers are serious hobbyists. Quad rotors
are sold into the mass market and being flown by all sorts of folks.
It is going to be the hot Christmas toy for teens and preteens this
year. That is a rabble.

Agreed.

I know Henk is a serious hobbyist and he builds his own drones from
parts (He also built a giant RC helicopter) but I also know the guy
down the street is just a kid with a toy. I imagine one of my
neighbors will shoot down his drone because it is hovering over their
pool watching the girls sunbathing on the deck.
(the suggestion has already been made)

To check how serious and responsible he is, ask him to show you the
identification
he's put on the aircraft - name, phone number, etc., in case the
aircraft gets away
from him.

If you also got the suggestion going that this thing might actually be
dangerous, they might claim self defense. ;-)

Show them some of the videos with the injuries. That'll bolster their
'self-defense'
case. Besides, it seems like buckshot would be pretty hard to trace.
--

In many parts of the country, you cannot discharge a firearm in your
backyard, even if you are trying to shoot down an annoying, intrusive,
privately owned drone that is hovering.

What's needed is some sort of "disruptor" electronic device that would
simply cause the nasty little devices to crash in your yard, so you
could pick them up and stuff them in the trash can.

We have a couple of kids in the neighborhood who fly their planes and
drones over an empty lot that has become a sort of ad hoc playground.
Perfectly acceptable.

Many devices use the same frequency band. It might be better if you
followed the drone home and gave the owner a piece of your mind.