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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 3:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/12/2015 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.

I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could
be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for
blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed
before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.

Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self
sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of
society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for
this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity.
That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.

Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of
white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.

And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a
contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before,
I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.

In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.

Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

Here again is an example of Harry's dishonesty. You alluded to the fact
that kids need an education in order to have the tools they need to find
(qualify) for a job.

Harry morphs that into earning "significant amounts" of money.

Nobody came close to saying any such thing.

I was talking about intellectual pursuits...most of you see no need for
that...that a trade school education will suffice.

So you are saying college will not suffice for job preparation? We are
saying a bunch of the degrees issued these days, have no use other than
wall paper, and to prove you spent years on some insignificant pursuit.