On 7/25/2015 8:09 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/25/15 7:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/25/2015 7:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/25/15 2:26 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:53:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:
I wasn't thinking of the Navy when I posted the above, but you are
certainly correct. Some of the best tradespeople are military trained
... Navy SeaBees is an excellent example. I worked with them for a
while doing electrical work. I am sure the Army and other service
branches have excellent schools and training programs as well.
I did a little looking into these apprenticeship programs. The typical
ones I looked had 360 hours of class time spread out over 4 years. If
this was the navy, IBM or just about anyone who actually wants to get
people trained in a reasonable time would run this whole thing in
about 8-10 weeks.
I understand that there is also the "experience" part of the training
but that should be done on the job.
And once again, you display your ignorance. The "experience" part of the
training *is* done on the job. Most of the training, in fact, is done on
the job under the watchful eyes of journeymen. Only the first couple of
weeks, typically, are entirely classroom, and a good part of that time
is spent working on mockups.
I'll say this...you are a leading advocate for the dumbing down of
America and the cheapening of labor and the skills of working men and
women.
Two weeks of classroom instruction? Wow.
The training program to become a Construction Electrician (SeeBees) in
the Navy starts with a 20 week school. This is classroom instruction
and practical labs. After completing the school the "on the job"
training and experience starts at the first duty station.
The training program to become an Electrician's Mate (EM) in the Navy
starts with an 18 week school. Same as above in terms of classroom,
labs and on the job training after graduation.
My son-in-law was an EM in the Navy. After leaving the Navy he worked
as an electrician while attending night school 3 evenings a week for a
year to get his Massachusetts license. He's now back in school at night
to get his Master's license.
I'd say the Navy and non-union civilian schools require a lot more
training than your union friends receive, eh?
Missed the word "entirely," eh?
Some apprenticeship programs require a 12-week prejob program in the
classroom. Not everything is the same, same, same.
I didn't miss "entirely". You said:
"Only the first couple of weeks, typically, are entirely classroom, and
a good part of that time is spent working on mockups."
I gave you a couple of examples of Navy schools that are 18-20 weeks
long and are *entirely* classroom and lab (mockup) work.
I also gave you an example of a non-union civilian school that requires
approximately 450 hours of classroom and lab instruction before you are
allowed to take the license exam. This is in addition to a sign-off by
a licensed electrician for whom you work as to your hours of experience.
I offered these examples because you are constantly trying to push union
trades and the training involved. There are other ways to become
as qualified, skilled and experienced, even more so. So, your are
correct. Not everything is the same, same, same.