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Keyser Söze

On 7/23/15 7:57 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:47:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 5:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:19:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:54:31 -0400, Justan Olphat
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On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.

Slackers all, looking for handouts.

Union apprenticeship programs are really designed to limit the number
of people coming into the trade and they have a very limited number of
slots.

Not for the reasons you think you know.

That is certainly not what they say but if they really wanted more
people in the trade, they would have more slots. It is like the AMAS,
they bitch about the lack of doctors, then do everything they can to
limit the number who can be there.

The industry that should be limiting the numbers are lawyers and we
crank out 100,000 more every year

Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?

Learning on the job seems to be a lot more efficient than simply
sitting people in a classroom. You can do most of the "theory" and
"code" training online.
The ECF program mixes class with "Lab" and then actual OJT.

A self starter should be able to "test out" of a lot of the theory and
code classes.
There are lots of online resources both free and fee based. Someone
who is willing to apply themselves can burn through this pretty fast.

The things that require actual hands on instruction are use of tools,
techniques and practices. Then it is just experience and you do not
get that in a classroom.

BTW there is not a lot of stick building going on here. CBS is king
because of the hurricane code. You can build with block and stucco
cheaper than buying and installing all the simpson clips you need for
stick construction and get a 150-170 MPH rating. What does Maryland
build to?
It is 90 for most of the state 110 on the south tip around St Marys
and the Eastern Shore, 120 right on the beach.
That is the 2012 code. It used to be 80 and that wasn't really
enforced.

Your post indicates you know nothing about apprenticeship training
programs in the organized building trades. The programs all combine
classroom and on the job training and work, and always have.