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Keyser Söze

On 2/19/15 1:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote:

How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing?

What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both
cases involve someone not following basic safety rules.

For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide
out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an
intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese
manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve
firearms.

Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act?

Yup about 11,000 a year.
There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident
involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act
too. 43,000 times a year.

I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona
fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that
was an intentional act too.
How much is GM paying for the ignition switches?

The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken
college level stats and logic courses will see.

Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned
your stats to prove it.

It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that
premise is also absurd.

Are you trying to say every firearm death is a crime and every car
death is an innocent accident that could not be avoided?

If not, why is it an absurd comparison?

Virtually every death in a car is a result of an illegal act.
(excessive speed, passing traffic control devices, inattention or
failure to yield right of way).

I am not saying anything more than what I posited, that the comparison
of firearms and auto deaths, other than the coincidental fact that the
same number of people die during the use of either, is absurd.

I am not talking "crime" or "innocent accident" or "illegal act." *You* are.

I don't know what the average "use period" of the "average car driver"
is on the "average day," but I'd guess there are tens of millions of car
drivers, perhaps a hundred million, who use their cars several hours
every day.

Most civilian gun owners, I would further posit, rarely use their guns,
and if they do for any period of time, it is for hunting. Most of the
time those guns are sitting unused in holsters, in drawers, in safes,
under the bed, et cetera. When they are used, it is for a very brief
period. And in that brief period, about as many people die from gunshot
wounds as people in car accidents who are in cars for at least an hour
and probably longer most days of the year.

The statistical comparisons that constantly get regurgitated by the gun
nuts in this instance are absurd.

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