Galen Hekhuis wrote:

On Fri, 14 May 2004 12:16:52 GMT, Brian Nystrom
wrote:


That's not the story that's coming out of the hearings (though it is the
opinion of some individuals).


There is no report from any congressional committee that I am aware of,
your perception that "that's not the story that's coming out of the
hearings" is simply your perception, nothing more. It is no more the
consensus of any hearing than the "opinion of some individuals." I watch
some of the hearings too (on C-Span) and get a radically different picture.

The blame is going well up the chain of
command and it's looking entirely likely that at least one general and
one colonel will be court martialed, plus their subordinates in the
chain of command.

I can see 8 individuals, none of which are female, in one picture. There
have been at least 3 females charged, shown in other pictures. That's
eleven I can count RIGHT NOW.

So what's your point? They're finding out who's culpable and charging
them. That's how the justice system works and it IS obviously working.

With your "6 or 7" bad apples and the
general and the colonel that's only 9 at the most.

Excuse me? I don't recall ever saying that there were a specifically
limited number of people involved. Again, the investigation is finding
the culprits and bringing them to justice. What the hell do you want?

And the general and
colonel don't appear in ANY photograph that I'm aware of.

So what does that have to do with anything?

The "handful"
you refer to looks like it's going to have to be an awfully big hand
involved.

I said there were a handful of people (relatively speaking) who
perpetrated the acts. That certainly doesn't mean that they're the only
guilty parties.

While it appears that there were only a handful of
people who actually perpetrated the offenses, the web of culpability is
definitely going to extend much further.


If military investigators are at all like you I'm pretty certain that some
(many) of those responsible will never be looked at.

Exactly what do you know about me? For that matter, what do you know
about military investigations?

Just to make it clear
to you, eleven is greater than the sum of your "bad apples" and those you
have indicated in the chain of command.

So what? Where did I indicate that I thought that they were the only
ones involved? What I said is that the investigations were ongoing and I
expected more people to be charged.

My friend, either you are closing
your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge or you are not
aware of the caliber of disaster...

No, you are distorting what I've said and reading what you want into my
statements. Your inferences have NO bearing in fact.

You're also acting as if you know some "ultimate truth" that none of the
rest of us are privy to. All you actually have is suspicion and
cynicism, neither of which are legal grounds for charging anyone with a
crime.

You're trying to make an ongoing investigation that's apparently doing
its job quite well look like some kind of sham. The justice system is
working as it's supposed to and people are being charged as evidence
against them is found. You're crying and complaining about the
investigation before the outcome is even known! Get a grip, will ya? Let
the investigation run its course, then we'll see if justice is served.

Again, based on your other posts in this thread, this is all "classic
Galen". To wit:

- Complain if nothing is done.
- Complain if something is done.
- Complain about how it's done.
- Complain that things haven't been done when they already have been.
- Complain about the outcome before it's even known.

In other words, complain, complain, complain, complain, complain,
regardless if there is justification or if you have any better ideas,
simply because you don't like the people in control.

All of this stems from your hatred of the Bush administration and your
zeal to discredit them in any way possible. These irrational statements
and arguments show the depth of your desperation and make you look
ridiculous. You really need to get your emotions under control and try
to look at the situation dispassionately. In the real world, you simply
can't have it all ways at once.