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Bill Tuthill
 
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Default OT and contentious: Torture photos from Iraq

Larry Cable wrote:

Why was invading Iraq the right strategic move? I'm trying to think...
(and deleted a bunch of sentences putting words in your mouth).


The biggest reason, aside from the general fact that Saddam is the most
murderous ******* since Stalin or the Khymer Rouge, is as an object lesson to
countries that continued to support radical islamist groups. The success or
recent failures of the group depend on governments that are willing to allow
them to train and stage in their countries. Whether or not that Al Qeada
actually trained or was supported by Iraq is fairly irrelavent, I don't know
why any of the Bush administration even mentioned. There has always been a
tie between the Iraqis and Al Qaeda, that's why Clinton bombed the factory
in the Sudan, owned by Bin Laden and supplying the Iraqis. While I think the
response was ineffective, the intelligence there seem to have been correct.


Glad I asked! I thought you were going to mention the strategic importance
of oil. Hard to say how many Saddam killed. Excluding wars, which maybe
I shouldn't, it was probably fewer than Tutsis killed by Hutus in Rwanda.

It seems to be true that Saddam supported Palestinian suicide bombers.
That "terra" justification implies we are fighting a proxy war for Israel.
Such a thing would not seem advisable on grounds of US national interest,
unlike the quest for cheaper oil. Is it worth killing (what is it now,
almost 800) American soldiers to protect Israel? Not to mention tax $$s.

I saw a webpage claiming Iraq was behind the first WTC (van) bombing, but
there was never any follow-up. Another conspiracy-oriented website said
Iraq was behind the Oklohoma City bombing although that's even less likely.
Bottom line: Iraq supported terror, but probably not against the USA.

I do believe that this is all out war between the Islamist and the West.
If we in the US and the West are not willing to take direct action against
countries that provide support of terrorist groups, then we lose.


However it's worth nothing that Islam, especially fundamentalist Islam,
is by no means modern. These guys are not exactly going to make scientific
discoveries and exceed the west in knowledge of and capability for warfare.
It's almost like we're fighting old men. Islam is an imperialistic religion
however, so maybe what scares western elites is its strangely strong appeal
and rejection of modern global-trade values.

Already you see some results, Libya coming in from the cold, the Saudis
Government, and perhaps more importantly, religious leaders denoucing suicide
bombings and terrorist murders. Even Iran is softening its hardline stance.
IMO, if we pull out now, we have just paved the way for the Islamist to
operate openly in every Arab nation in the Middle East.


I recuse myself from further comment, being partly of Armenian heritage
and a Tashnak sympathizer.