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Mr. Luddite

On 11/2/2014 10:24 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 10:02:30 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 11/2/2014 9:11 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 08:07:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/2/2014 8:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:31:48 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:15:27 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

I never said that. I said the opposite. Most gun crimes are done with
legally purchased guns. Stolen guns are a very small percentage.
You've mistaken me for Basskisser.

OK perhaps but what are you calling "gun crimes". Are you talking
about acquaintance killings or are you talking about drug killings,
robberies gone bad and gang violence?

Gun crimes by legal gun owners.

I would sure like to see some proof that most gun crimes are committed
by legal gun owners.

Define "legal" gun owners.

What he said ...'most gun crimes are done with legally purchased
guns'...and then...'gun crimes by legal gun owners'.

I'm thinking that if I wanted to commit a crime with a gun, I wouldn't
want to use one that's traceable back to me. If I had to use one that
was traceable to me, then it would be somewhere in the Potomac when I
was finished with it.

The Chicago Tribune reports 440 murders in Chicago in 2013. You reckon
most of those were committed by 'legal gun owners'? And then throw in
Flint, New Orleans, Detroit, and Jackson. Most murders committed by
legal gun owners?

I find it hard to believe most crimes involving guns are committed by
legal gun owners but then again, I don't know what "legal" means in the
areas you mentioned.

legal
adj., adv. according to law, not in violation of law or anything related
to the law.

For example, I've looked at the gun laws in South Carolina. All you
have to do is prove you are a resident and you can buy a gun. No
permit, no license, no safety course. Nothing. A permit is required if
you want to conceal carry however.

Do you believe that people should have to ask and receive permission
from the government to exercise their rights before they exercise their
rights?

BAO is certainly a fascist (in the classical sense) He sees no real
limit to government power, even implying he thinks you should need to
be finger printed and submit to a background check before you can
vote.

I doubt Richard would agree with that but then he is simply cherry
picking the rights we are entitled to without infringement.

I don't see a background check as being an infringement on your right to
buy or own a firearm. The concept of a nationwide computerized data
base was unfathomable when the Bill of Rights was written. By virtue of
getting a permit it means you had a background check performed.

What I'd really like to see is some standardization and uniformity of
the gun laws throughout the country. In some states, like mine, the
determination of granting a permit and what type comes down to the
police chief in the town or city you live in. Massachusetts used to be
a "may issue" state for all types of permits with the determination left
up to the local police department chief. That was changed to "shall
issue" for permits that do not allow concealed carry and "may issue" for
concealed carry. There was a time when it was difficult to get any
type of gun permit because it was all up to the local (town) government
and police department. There are still a couple of towns that are
trying to stay "gun free zones".