On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:18:25 -0500, Boating All Out
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:30:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 10/30/2014 9:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:52:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 10/30/2014 7:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:57:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 10/30/2014 6:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:50:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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Well, I'm glad you're satisfied with the laws in your state. I'm glad
I can legally buy and own a Kimber .45!


Different issue.


Not entirely. What happens when the suddenly decide to make a gun you
own, illegal?
Then they decide the fair market price is the melt weight of the steel
or some other ridiculous price and they want you to turn it in for
that "just compensation" (assuming they even honor the 5th amendment).
You registered it, they know you have it.



Making previously legal guns "illegal" has been done before and in
several states. But they don't confiscate them. They grandfather them.
If you owned 'em before they became illegal, you can keep them.

But you can't sell them and in some places you can't even give them to
your heirs.
There are people who would push for laws that would not even
grandfather them in.

The rest of your post is pure conjecture.

Conjecture based on other laws that have been passed. There is some
ammo that was outlawed and if they catch you with it, you can be
charged, no matter when you bought it.



And many would agree rightly so. I think sometimes we forget that the
majority of Americans do *not* own guns and that majority is growing.

You can't have it one way, A minute ago you were talking about rights
for minorities as a step forward.

I noticed you dodged the answer about the bill of rights protections
that we are losing and they are far more fundamental than gay marriage
and a parking place close to the door.



I didn't purposely dodge it. I didn't notice it. What was it again?


Again
I understand we may have created rights for some special interest
groups that the founding fathers could have never envisioned but the
ones in the Bill of Rights are under constant attack. I would start
with attacks on the 4th, 5th, 6th and 10th amendments.

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Just the 4th amendment problems

There was a great one on the news tonight. FBI agents impersonated
cable guys and did a search of a hotel room without a warrant and with
that information they went back, got a warrant and raided the guys.

This wasn't trying to stop a terrorist attack or catch a serial
killer. It was arresting a bookie in Las Vegas.

There was also a story about "border patrol" check points up to 100
miles from the border and they are using the same rules they use on
the border (search you, search your car, ask questions you have no
real obligation to answer etc)


Of course you really have no rights on the side of the road anyway.
The courts have chipped away at the 4th amendment to the point that a
cop can stop you for no particular reason (always your word against
his about why he stopped you)

Make everyone get out of the car MARYLAND v. WILSON

Question you without a Miranda warning BERKEMER v. McCARTY

Search everyone and the passenger compartment of the car for weapons
Terry v. Ohio

They can "ask" you if they can search your trunk but if you say no,
that is "reasonable suspicion"
They can also detain you until they can get a dog there ILLINOIS v.
CABALLES

Then the kubuki theater starts. It is your word against the cop
whether the dog "alerted". Hint, they always do.
Then he has probable cause.

If you resist in any way they can simply arrest you, maybe taze you,
drench you with pepper spray and beat the **** out of you, impound
your car, then they need to "inventory" it. (AKA rip it apart to be
sure there was no hidden property they might get accused of stealing)

You might just be shot and killed

Who needs the gestapo when we have these guys

Jesus Christ, you sound like a community organizer for criminals.
Cops used to routinely jack people against cars for simple traffic
stops, and answer any lip with a nightstick.
They act much better now. It'll never be perfect.
Seems paranoid to me. Fear the cops, huh?

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I don't think it's paranoid at all. The sort of thing that Greg
describes happens all the time. I always chuckle when I read a news
account where the driver "consented to a search of his vehicle". You
just know that's some kind of BS.