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On 8/27/14 11:57 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:26:08 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/27/14 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 06:00:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

We don't even have a handle in this country of just how many people are
shot by the police each year.

The unknown number of people killed in police-involved shootings each
year, as FiveThirtyEight reports:

Efforts to keep track of “justifiable police homicides” are beset
by systemic problems. “Nobody that knows anything about the SHR puts
credence in the numbers that they call ‘justifiable homicides,’” when
used as a proxy for police killings, said David Klinger, an associate
professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of
Missouri who specializes in policing and the use of deadly force. And
there’s no governmental effort at all to record the number of
unjustifiable homicides by police. If Brown’s homicide is found to be
unjustifiable, it won’t show up in these statistics.

Four per cent is the percentage of American law enforcement agencies
that report any police-involved shootings to the FBI’s database -- 700
out of a total of 17,000, according to USA Today. These agencies only
record so-called "justifiable homicides," or incidents in which an armed
suspect was shot by police. All in all, we're left with a reporting
system that tells us very little about how many people are killed by
police, and nothing about those killed in an unjust fashion.

I have heard that too but wouldn't "unjust" shootings result in some
kind of action against the police or the policeman?
It would certainly show up in the CDC statistics JP likes to
reference.
Are you saying these deaths simply go away without any investigation
at all?
Most if not all police departments have some kind of shooting board
that investigates every time a cop fires his weapon on the street.

Would that be like the FBI's self-investigatory shooting panel that
determined that of some 700 FBI deadly shootings, each one was
justified? What I am saying is that police review boards *tend* to side
with the policeman, and cops overwhelmingly are acquitted by juries,
too. Didn't you cite the murder of Amadou Diallo? Yet another in the
long list of outrageous police murders.

I am just saying these killings are documented, just not so well by
the FBI because it is a voluntary submission to them.

I have pointed out that the Diallo shooting is far more egregious than
the killing of that thug Mike Brown. I also question why the left is
not outraged by blue state incidents, yet they are all over red state
incidents.
I still doubt any of these rise to the level of "murder".

I don't know that "these killings are documented," or that, if they are,
the documentation meets any sort of standard.